Electromagnetism II - Potential and Electrical Field of a Spherical Shell

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential and electric field of a thin spherical shell with a surface charge density, σ, and radius, a. The original poster seeks to find the potential at a point outside the shell and verify that the charge behaves as if concentrated at the center.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers calculating the electric field first, referencing a similar problem with a single ring of charge. They express uncertainty about setting up the surface integral and the limits for integration.
  • Some participants suggest starting with the potential instead of the electric field, providing a formula for the potential due to a surface charge distribution.
  • Questions arise regarding the setup of the differential area element, dS, and the limits of integration for the spherical coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with some suggesting alternative methods and clarifying the setup for integration. There is acknowledgment of errors in calculations, and guidance is provided on the correct formulation of the differential area element.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is constrained by the instruction not to use Gauss' Law in their solution. There is an emphasis on understanding the composition of the differential area element, dS, in the context of spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement



Consider a thin spherical shell having surface charge density σ, and radius a as shown in the diagram (see attachment).

Find, by integration over the sphere, the potential at a point P, a distance r fromthe centre of the sphere, for r > a. Using this result also find the electric filed at the same point. Hence verify that for points outside the sphere the charge acts as if it were all concentrated at the centre of the shell.

NB: Do not use Gauss' Law in answering this question!

(Hint: consider the spherical shell to be built up from infinitesimal rings of charge, centred on their axis of symmetry through OP):

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The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that calculating the electric field first might be easier, as we've done roughly the same problem with only one ring of charge; this gave the result E = (Q*r)/((4*Pi*Epsilon)*(a^2+r^2)^1.5).

What I've done so far for the above problem is to set the surface charge density as Q/4*Pi*a^2.

The electric field as I've written it down so far is:

dE = (2*σ*dS*cos(theta))/(4*Pi*Epsilon*(a^2+r^2)).

I've simplified this equation quite a bit, writing it as a surface integral, pulling the constants out of the integral, etc. until I ended up with this:

E = Q/(8*Pi^2*Epsilon)*integral((r*dS)/(a^2*(a^2+r^2)^0.5)).

Now, what I want to know is whether I'm on the right path at all, or if I've missed out something; also, if this is correct, how do I set up the surface integral? There's two parts to it, and one is obviously the rings and their radius going from 0 to a, but what's the other bit?

Any help on this would be very much appreciated.
 

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Why are you starting with electric field? For a general surface charge distribution the potential is given by:

V = \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0} \int_S \frac{\sigma dS}{R}

The electric field is then the negative gradient of the potential.
 
Okay, I suppose I can do it this way too. However, this does not solve my problem in setting up dS properly; I'm a bit stuck there. One bit should be the changing radius of all the circles going from 0 to a, but what's the other one?
 
Well its fairly easy to work out. The radius of the rings changes with d\phi by a sin(\phi) d\phi and the thickness of the rings is ad\theta

Then you need to work out the limits.
 
For a sin(\phi) d\phi I set the limits as 0 to Pi; for ad\theta I set the limits as 0 to 2*Pi. Integrating this and calculating the potential gives me V = Q/(8 \pi \epsilon r).

Is this correct?
 
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I think you made a slight error it should be 4 pi on the bottom.
 
Ah, I caught the error, thank you. The electric field should then be E = Q/(4*Pi*Epsilon*r^2), right?
 
Yes which is exactly the same as for a point charge at the centre of the sphere with the same total charge as the sphere.

EDIT: Just to add, make sure you understand how dS is composed the way it is.
 
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Thank you ever so much, that was really helpful!
 

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