Electromagnetism: Trouble understanding the D field

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The discussion revolves around understanding the electric displacement field (D) in the context of electromagnetism, particularly its application in finding the electric field (E) within dielectrics and cavities. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanations related to the displacement field and its relationship with surface charge distributions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the purpose and application of the displacement field (D) as presented in the Wangsness textbook.
  • Another participant explains that D is useful when the surface charge distribution is known, as it is proportional to it, allowing for the determination of E in certain configurations.
  • A question arises about the relationship between surface charge density and bound charge, specifically referencing the polarization of a dielectric.
  • Further clarification is provided that D can be determined from known surface charge distributions, particularly in specific geometries like parallel plate capacitors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing levels of understanding regarding the displacement field and its applications, with no consensus reached on the clarity of the textbook explanation or the best approach to utilize D in various scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There is an implied dependence on the definitions of surface charge and bound charge, as well as the specific configurations of dielectrics, which may affect the application of the displacement field.

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I've just finished my first term in an undergrad electromagnetism course using Wangsness as a textbook and we ended on the displacement field.

I feel like Wangsness doesn't give a very good explanation of what the whole point of it actually is, and I still don't quite understand how to use it to find the e field inside both a dielectric and a cavity within a dielectric.

If I could get a quick and easy explanation or a point in the right direction I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks!
 
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Hi BeBattey! :smile:

The electric displacement field (D, measured in coulombs per square metre) is helpful if you know the surface charge distribution (because it's proportional to it).

So if you know the surface charge distribution, that gives you D, and you can immediately find E for different dielectric fillings, provided inserting the dielectric does not alter the surface charge distribution.

So it works eg for a parallel plate capacitor with dielectrics in series (and with edges parallel to the plates), but not for dielectrics in parallel (because the surface charge distribution will change).
 
Thanks for the response!

So the surface charge density you're talking about, is that the bound charge mentioned in the textbook? I know the bound surface charge is P dot n-hat, given the polarization of a dielectric, is this what you mean about the proportionality?
 
Hi BeBattey! :smile:

I was really thinking about those exam questions where you know the surface charge, either because the question specifically tells you, or because eg it's a sphere and you can use gauss, or it's a capacitor and you know C V and A (area), so you can find σ = Q/A (and D = σñ).
 

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