Electron and positron annihilate

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The discussion centers on the annihilation of electrons and positrons, specifically addressing the formation of photons with zero momentum and energy. It clarifies that while a photon can be virtual and not adhere to the standard energy-momentum relationship, real photons cannot possess zero momentum or energy. The conversation references Feynman diagrams and Bhabha scattering as key concepts in understanding these interactions. Participants emphasize the importance of proper references and context when discussing particle physics topics.

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Hi.
I am just starting to self-study particle physics. Came across the following in some notes -
Electron and positron annihilate to form a photon with zero momentum. I thought all photons had momentum due to the de Broglie equation ?
Also 2 electrons scatter to form a photon with zero energy. Again I can't see how this can be true.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
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Please provide proper references to where you have read this. Without proper references it is impossible to tell what the source has said and what you might have misunderstood from the source. In addition, we need to have more context to figure out what exactly you are looking at.
 
I can't provide references. It came from some handwritten lecture notes. Is it possible for a photon to have zero momentum or energy ?
 
dyn said:
I can't provide references.

Explain to me something I'm not going to show you is a hard question to answer.
 
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dyn said:
I can't provide references. It came from some handwritten lecture notes. Is it possible for a photon to have zero momentum or energy ?

It's probably part of an explanation why the annihilation always produces 2 photons.
 
dyn said:
Is it possible for a photon to have zero momentum or energy ?
No. But without any context it is impossible to tell what exactly went wrong.

You could write the relevant part of the notes here in the forum.
 
The Feynman diagram shows an electron and positron annihilating to form a photon which then decays into an electron and positron. The notes say " if an electron and a positron annihilate a photon is formed with zero charge , zero momentum and energy 2Ee and hence an apparent mass of 2Ee/c2 "
 
This is one of the two leading-order Feynman diagrams for electron-positron scattering (Bhabha scattering).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhabha_scattering

The photon is virtual, not real, so it need not obey the relationship ##E^2 - (pc)^2 = (mc^2)^2 = 0##.
 
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dyn said:
I can't provide references. It came from some handwritten lecture notes. Is it possible for a photon to have zero momentum or energy ?
If this was really stated in these lecture notes they are for sure not a "proper reference". So rather get a good textbook.
 
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