Electron revolutions in Bohr model

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of revolutions an electron in a hydrogen atom's n = 2 state makes during its average excited state duration of 10^-8 seconds, using the Bohr model of the atom.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers two approaches: one involving angular momentum and the other using the radius of the orbit to find velocity. They express confusion about calculating angular frequency and the moment of inertia in this context. Other participants suggest that both approaches are valid and provide guidance on necessary formulas.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the formulas needed and clarifying concepts. There is a recognition of the need to distinguish between angular frequency and frequency, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of knowing the mass of the electron and the radius of the orbit for their calculations. There is also a discrepancy between the calculated angular frequency and a value provided in a reference, prompting further discussion.

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Homework Statement


On the average, a hydrogen atom will exist in an excited state for about 10-8 s before making a transition to a lower energy state. About how many revolutions does an electron in the n = 2 state make in 10^-8 s?

Homework Equations



L = mvr = Iω = nħ
rn = n2a0/Z

The Attempt at a Solution



Finding the angular momentum from ħ and n=2 is just plugging in numbers. Where I'm confused is how to get the number of revolutions from the angular momentum. It would be easy to find if I had ω, but I have no idea how to calculate I in this context. On the other hand, I could find the radius of the orbit from the second equation from a0, n=2 and Z=1. If I had that and the mass of the electron, I could find the electron's velocity. From rn I could also find the circumference of the orbit and calculate the number of revolutions when t = 10-8 s from that. I don't have time to work out the math right now but I will tomorrow and I wanted to post this early. Which approach would be best?
 
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Your first approach might be easier. From mechanics, you should have learned the formula for the moment of inertia of a particle moving in a circle.

The second approach will also work. For both approaches you will need to know the mass of the electron, which is easy to find. Also, in both approaches you will need to use the formula for rn.

[Edit: I think both approaches require about the same amount of effort.]
 
I looked around and found it. So I = mr2n?
 
Yes.
 
I'm having an issue.

So rn = a0n2/Z = 2.12 x 10 -10 m

and L = nħ = 2.10914 x 10-34 m2kg/s

ω = L/I = L/mrn2

When I plug this in I get 5.1516 x 1015 Hz, while the back of the book says 8.22 x 1014 Hz
 
Make sure you distinguish between angular frequency ##\omega## and frequency ##f##. Angular frequency does not have units of Hz.
 
Ah, thank you!
 

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