Electron Spins: Do Opposite Directions Collide?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of electrons in atomic orbitals, specifically addressing the concept of electron spins and whether electrons with opposite spins would collide. The scope includes conceptual understanding of quantum mechanics and the nature of electron interactions.

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  • One participant notes that electrons in an orbital have anti-parallel spins, questioning whether this would lead to collisions due to their opposite directions.
  • Another participant clarifies that electrons do not orbit the nucleus like planets, and their behavior is governed by probability distributions rather than classical paths, suggesting that they do not collide in the traditional sense.
  • A different participant distinguishes between orbital angular momentum and spin angular momentum, explaining that the nature of electron interactions is not influenced by their spins being opposite.
  • Another reply humorously acknowledges the previous response while also engaging in light banter.
  • A participant challenges the initial question by asking why electrons, as negatively charged particles, are not drawn into the positively charged nucleus, implying that the dynamics of electron interactions are more complex than simple collisions.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of electron spins and their interactions, with no consensus reached on whether the original question about collisions is valid or how to interpret electron behavior in orbitals.

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The discussion highlights the complexities of quantum mechanics and the limitations of classical analogies when describing electron behavior. Assumptions about electron interactions and the nature of their spins remain unresolved.

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Electrons paired up in an orbital have anti-parallel spins. One rotates in clockwise direction and the other in anti-clockwise direction in the same orbital. In that case wouldn't the electrons from opposite directions collide each other? Please don't mind if the question seems silly. But thank you for sparing time to read it...
 
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Although they are in something called an orbital and have something called spin, they actually do NOT orbit the nucleus in a fashion similar to a planet around a sun. An orbital is more like the surface of a ball, where the probability of locating the electron at a particular spot on that surface is equal. They do not collide with each other as such, as electrons are point particles. Their field effects (repelling negative charges) are a factor.
 
You're confusing two different types of angular momentum. To see the difference, consider a classical system of planets orbiting around a sun. Orbital angular momentum is associated with the motions of the planets going around the sun in their orbital paths. Spin angular momentum is associated with the rotation of a planet around its own axis. Two planets can follow the same orbital path, in the same direction, at different locations on the path of course, but spin around their axes in opposite directions. The fact that they don't collide with each other doesn't have anything to do with those spins being in opposite directions, right?

In a quantum-mechanical system like electrons "orbiting" around an atomic nucleus, an electron doesn't follow a nice classical-type orbit. Instead, we have an orbital wave function which gives us a probability distribution for where the electron might turn out to be if we were to measure its position somehow. But we can still associate an "orbital" angular momentum with this orbital wave function.

Similarly, the electron is not literally a tiny ball that spins around its own axis, but we can still associate a "spin" angular momentum that has a fixed, unvarying magnitude, but can be oriented in different directions. In the same atom, we can have two electrons with the same orbital wave function and orbital angular momentum, but different orientations for the "spin" angular momentum.

(Aha, I see DrC snuck in while I was making a sandwich.)
 
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jtbell said:
(Aha, I see DrC snuck in while I was making a sandwich.)

Yes, and as per usual your answer is far superior...

However, you are a cad for not offering me a bite of your sandwich.
 
In that case wouldn't the electrons from opposite directions collide each other?

If you think like charged particles would be likely to collide, why don't you ask why the electrons aren't drawn into the nucleus which is of opposite charge? That would superficially seem a lot more likely.
 

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