Elegant Notation: Intersection of Inequalities

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The discussion revolves around the notation used to denote the solution set of a series of inequalities, specifically whether a certain format is generally accepted for representing the intersection of these inequalities. Participants explore the clarity and elegance of different notational approaches in mathematical expressions.

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  • One participant questions if the notation \left\{ \begin{gathered} ... \end{gathered} \right\} is accepted to denote the solution set of inequalities.
  • Another participant argues that the notation appears to represent a set of inequalities rather than the solution set, suggesting a more elegant expression is possible.
  • A later reply proposes adding intersection symbols to clarify the intention of denoting a union of solution sets.
  • Some participants clarify that the notation should specify the set from which variables are drawn, indicating that the current use may not align with standard practices.
  • There is a suggestion to include logical connectors (like "or" or "and") to avoid ambiguity in the representation of multiple inequalities.
  • One participant confirms that a revised notation presented by another is more correct, but emphasizes the need for clarity in the logical structure of the inequalities.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the original notation and whether it effectively conveys the intended meaning. There is no consensus on a single correct notation, and multiple competing views remain regarding the clarity and elegance of the expressions.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the notation and the importance of specifying conditions clearly, but do not resolve these issues definitively.

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Is the notation
\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> {\text{inequality}} \hfill \\<br /> {\text{inequality}} \hfill \\<br /> {\text{inequality}} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right\}
generally accepted to denote the solution set (i.e., intersection) of the inequalities?

If so, then the following (part of a problem I came up with) should be easy to understand:
\bigcup\limits_{\begin{subarray}{l} <br /> \left( {i,j,k} \right) \in \mathbb{N}^3 , \\ <br /> i &lt; j &lt; k \leqslant n <br /> \end{subarray}} {\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_j } \right)\left( {x_j - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_j } \right)\left( {y_j - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right\}}

Is there a simpler/more elegant way to express this, or is it fine the way it is?
 
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That looks like a set of inequalities rather than the solution set to me. Rather like saying that {x2- 4= 0} denotes the set {2, -2}. (The second way is more "elegant"!)
 
HallsofIvy said:
That looks like a set of inequalities rather than the solution set to me. Rather like saying that {x2- 4= 0} denotes the set {2, -2}. (The second way is more "elegant"!)
Well, to be more clear, perhaps I should add intersection symbols:
<br /> \bigcup\limits_{\begin{subarray}{l} <br /> \left( {i,j,k} \right) \in \mathbb{N}^3 , \\ <br /> i &lt; j &lt; k \leqslant n <br /> \end{subarray}} {\left( \begin{gathered}<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \cap \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \cap \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_j } \right)\left( {x_j - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_j } \right)\left( {y_j - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right)}
Essentially, I wish to denote a union of solution sets :shy:
Would that be clear/understood from the way I rewrote it here?
 
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It looks like you are still thinking of an inequality as the set of things that satisfy it, this isn't the usual use of the notation. The set of x's that satisfy x>2 would be written:

{x| x>2}

(specifiy some set x is coming from if it's not clear from the context, like x a real number, or integer), not

x>2
 
Thanks shmoe :smile:
In that case, this would be the more correct way to denote my union of solution sets:
\bigcup\limits_{\begin{subarray}{l} <br /> \left( {i,j,k} \right) \in \mathbb{N}^3 , \\ <br /> i &lt; j &lt; k \leqslant n <br /> \end{subarray}} {\left\{ {\left( {x,y} \right)\left| \begin{gathered}<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_j } \right)\left( {x_j - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_j } \right)\left( {y_j - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right.} \right\}}
Right?
 
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Sure, I'd call that more correct, but you'd probably want to put some "or"'s in there.
edit-spelling, I wasn't calling you "Sue"
 
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shmoe said:
Sue, I'd call that more correct, but you'd probably want to put some "or"'s in there.
Some "or's" ? Why so?
 
maybe "and"'s then. You just have a list of inequalities as conditions,

{x|x>2, x>4, x=65}

What does this mean? It's ambiguous as it's written.
 
shmoe said:
maybe "and"'s then. You just have a list of inequalities as conditions,

{x|x>2, x>4, x=65}

What does this mean? It's ambiguous as it's written.
Do you mean like this:
\bigcup\limits_{\begin{subarray}{l} <br /> \left( {i,j,k} \right) \in \mathbb{N}^3 , \\ <br /> i &lt; j &lt; k \leqslant n <br /> \end{subarray}} {\left\{ {\left( {x,y} \right)\left| \begin{gathered}<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_j } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \wedge \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_i } \right)\left( {x_i - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_i } \right)\left( {y_i - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_i - x_j } &amp; {y_i - y_j } \\<br /> {x_i - x_k } &amp; {y_i - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \wedge \hfill \\<br /> \left( {y - y_j } \right)\left( {x_j - x_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \geqslant \left( {x - x_j } \right)\left( {y_j - y_k } \right)\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_j - x_i } &amp; {y_j - y_i } \\<br /> {x_j - x_k } &amp; {y_j - y_k } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right| \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right.} \right\}}
Correct?
 
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Yes, post #9 is correct.
 

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