Elementary Number Theory - GCD problems and proofs

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The discussion revolves around problems in elementary number theory, specifically focusing on properties of the greatest common divisor (GCD) and composite numbers. Participants are exploring proofs related to GCD conditions and composite number characteristics.

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  • Participants are attempting to prove that certain expressions are composite or to establish GCD relationships under specific conditions. There are various attempts to manipulate algebraic expressions and explore implications of GCD properties.

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Several participants have provided attempts and partial reasoning for the problems posed. There is ongoing exploration of different approaches, with some participants questioning the validity of assumptions made in their proofs. Hints and suggestions for further exploration have been offered, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify concepts.

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Participants express uncertainty about justifying certain algebraic manipulations and the implications of their findings. There is a recognition of the need for clear justifications in proofs, particularly regarding the assumptions made in the context of the problems.

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Problem 1
Suppose ab=cd, where a, b, c d \in N. Prove that a^{2}+b^{2}+c^{2}+d^{2} is composite.

Attempt
ab=cd suggests that a=xy, b=zt, c=xz. d=yt. xyzt=xzyt.

So (xy)^{2}+(zt)^{2}+(xz)^{2}+(yt)^{2}=x^{2}(y^{2}+z^{2})+t^{2}(z^{2}+y^{2})=(x^{2}+t^{2})(z^{2}+y^{2}) Therefore this is composite.


Problem 2

Prove that

GCD(a,b)=1 \Rightarrow GCD(a+b,a-b,ab)=1.

Attempt

My first attempt at this I started with (a+b,a-b,ab)=1 and wrote this as a linear combination (a+b)x+(a-b)y+(ab)z=1 which can be re written as a(x+y+bz)+b(x-y)=1 and I thought I had proved it but realized the arrow suggests a one way proof so now I am stuck at how to start with (a,b)=1... Perhaps if I take ax+by=1 and square both sides but after that I still don't know what to do. Any hints would be appreciated.

Problem 3

Prove that if a,m \in N and a>1, then

GCD(\frac{a^{m}-1}{a-1},a-1)=GCD(a-1,m).

Attempt
I'm having a really bad day with these sorts of questions and any attempt just turns into a mess so any little suggestion or hint would be appreciated for this one as well.

Thank you
 
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Amcote said:
Problem 1
Suppose ab=cd, where a, b, c d \in N. Prove that a^{2}+b^{2}+c^{2}+d^{2} is composite.

Attempt
ab=cd suggests that a=xy, b=zt, c=xz. d=yt. xyzt=xzyt.

So (xy)^{2}+(zt)^{2}+(xz)^{2}+(yt)^{2}=x^{2}(y^{2}+z^{2})+t^{2}(z^{2}+y^{2})=(x^{2}+t^{2})(z^{2}+y^{2}) Therefore this is composite.

...

Thank you
It's not clear to me how you justify the following:
" ab=cd suggests that a=xy, b=zt, c=xz. d=yt. "​
Can you explain this?
 
Basically because for whatever you choose x,y,z and t to be, ab=cd will always be true.
 
Amcote said:
Basically because for whatever you choose x,y,z and t to be, ab=cd will always be true.
That's correct, but for a proof, it's often required to justify such a statement.
 
I am probably missing some simple equivalences, but I can solve #2 by first considering k=GCD(a+b,a-b) in two cases and then showing that GCD(k, ab) must be 1 for both cases.

edit to add: For #3, consider ak mod (a-1)
 
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Further attempt for number 2:

suppose d=gcd(a+b,a-b,ab),
therefore d|a+b, d|a-b, d|ab
and also d|(a+b+a-b)=2a and d|(a+b-[a-b])=2b
So d|gcd(2a,2b)
but since gcd(a,b)=1 --> 2*gcd(a,b)=2 --> gcd(2a,2b)=2
so from this d|2 and so d=1 or d=2
from here it is the "ab" that is bugging me and will probably show me that d must be 1. But I don't know how to finish this.
 
Edit to insert: You might as well define d=gcd(a+b,a-b) Nothing you have derived about it relies on the ab coefficient. Then the value you are finally looking for is gcd(d,ab). To continue, consider two cases:

if a+b is odd...
if a+b is even...
 
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