Elementary Problem: Determining the Piecewise Form of a Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the piecewise form of functions and analyzing their continuity, particularly in the context of a calculus problem set. Participants explore methods for identifying piecewise functions and the implications of continuity in various domains.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • A.Martin expresses confusion about how to determine the piecewise form of functions, particularly for functions like (x)/(x-2), and questions if there is a method or rule for this.
  • A.Martin suggests that considering the natural domain of a function might be sufficient for testing continuity, questioning the validity of this approach.
  • A.Martin poses a question about the implications of both f(c) and the limit of f(x) as x approaches c being non-existent.
  • Another participant argues against limiting consideration to the natural domain, stating that it is flawed and that continuity should be assessed over all real numbers.
  • This participant clarifies that for the limit to exist at a point c, both one-sided limits must exist and be equal, and that the existence of a limit does not guarantee the existence of f(c).
  • A later reply questions the systematic approach to determining the piecewise form of a function, indicating uncertainty about the process.
  • Another participant asserts that not all functions can be expressed in a piecewise manner, suggesting that only obvious cases can be easily represented this way.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate domain for assessing continuity, with some advocating for the natural domain and others emphasizing the need to consider all real numbers. The discussion on how to determine the piecewise form of functions remains unresolved, with no consensus on a systematic method.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about function domains and the criteria for continuity. The participants do not resolve the mathematical steps involved in determining piecewise forms or continuity testing.

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Hello All,

First off, I will apologize in advance for being so ignorant and scatterbrained. Please humor me.

In my Calc. I class, we are currently covering the continuity of functions. Our current problem set consists of determining where a given function is NOT continuous. My professor insists that we must find the piecewise form of the functions, analyze that, and then determine the continuity.

I'm stumped on a couple of points:

I can't seem to figure out exactly how to determine the piecewise form of any given function to even start. Is there a certain method or rule to finding this? I can, however, understand how to determine the piecewise form of of a function that is blatantly co-linear by analyzing the graph, noting the branching point(s), and finding the slope of the line(s) on either side of the branching point(s). But, as far as determining the piecewise form of something like (x)/(x-2), I'm lost.

Also, when considering the continuity of functions like these, I don't see why we couldn't just consider the natural domain of the function and test the continuity at the points of interest. Is that way of thinking about these problems flawed?

And finally, I have a very very stupid question. When considering if f(c) exists and the limit of f(x) as x approaches c exists, what if they're both non-existent? Are two non-existences equal? That's probably a very ignorant question, but I'm curious.

I'm sorry this post turned into an incoherent ramble. But, if you can help me out in any way, I'd be most appreciative.

Thanks for your consideration and patience,

-A.Martin
 
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I don't see why your only consider the Natural domain either, normally its all the real numbers, not just the natural numbers. Its very flawed. Only considering the natural numbers, a function may be continuous in its domain, but not able to be differentiated.

For \lim_{x\rightarrow c} f(x) to exist, \lim_{x\rightarrow c^{+}} f(x) and \lim_{x\rightarrow c^{-}} f(x) both have to exist and be equal. If the limit does not exist, f(c) can not exist. If the limit exists, it does not mean f(c) exists.
 
Gib Z said:
I don't see why your only consider the Natural domain either, normally its all the real numbers, not just the natural numbers. Its very flawed. Only considering the natural numbers, a function may be continuous in its domain, but not able to be differentiated.

For \lim_{x\rightarrow c} f(x) to exist, \lim_{x\rightarrow c^{+}} f(x) and \lim_{x\rightarrow c^{-}} f(x) both have to exist and be equal. If the limit does not exist, f(c) can not exist. If the limit exists, it does not mean f(c) exists.

Okay, I see what you're saying.

What about determining the piecewise form of a function? Is there any systematic way to go about that?
 
Nope. Not all functions can be expressed piecewise anyway, unless in a very obvious way that doesn't help. eg f(x) { for x>0, =x^2, for x< 0 = x^2. Id be interesting to see how you espressed the x/x-2, i can't do it.
 

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