Elements that react with crystalline

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The discussion centers on the elements or conditions that can cause crystalline structures to lose their organized patterns. Participants explore various chemical processes, the role of solvents, and the behavior of liquid crystals, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that oxidation is a common reaction that can lead to the loss of crystallinity.
  • Others propose that solvents, such as water, can dissolve soluble crystals, resulting in a loss of their organized structure.
  • It is noted that almost all chemical processes could potentially lead to loss of crystallinity, provided the products are not crystalline.
  • A participant questions the rigor of the term 'element' used by the original poster, suggesting that solvation may not qualify as a chemical reaction.
  • Discussion on liquid crystals reveals that they may not fit the traditional definition of crystals, as they can exhibit both crystalline and amorphous regions when subjected to an electric field.
  • One participant describes the behavior of liquid crystals as forming a periodic array under an electric field, akin to a quasicrystal, but without forming or breaking chemical bonds.
  • Another participant raises the analogy of liquid crystals to magnetic domains in ferromagnets, while cautioning against overextending this comparison.
  • A later reply challenges the assertion that liquid crystals require an electric field for long-range ordering, suggesting that such ordering can exist without external fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on the nature of reactions that affect crystallinity, with some agreeing on the role of solvents and oxidation, while others debate the classification of liquid crystals and the conditions under which they exhibit ordered structures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of liquid crystal behavior and the definitions of reactions involved.

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Participants highlight the nuances in defining reactions and crystallinity, indicating that assumptions about the nature of liquid crystals and the effects of electric fields may vary. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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What element will react with crystalline causing it to lose it's organized pattern.
 
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There are hundreds of reactions involving crystals that result in loss of crystallinity. A common example is oxidation.
 
Or if its a soluble crystal, a solvent like water.
 
Almost all chemical processes will, as long as the product itself is not crystalline.
 
3trQN said:
Or if its a soluble crystal, a solvent like water.
That was my first thought, but I wasn't sure how rigorous the OP was by the use of the term 'element'.
 
Gokul43201 said:
That was my first thought, but I wasn't sure how rigorous the OP was by the use of the term 'element'.

Yeah, i don't think it even classes as a "reaction", to a chemist. Solvation that is. Where reaction implies a chemical reaction.

I don't know much about liquid crystals, but they could also be an exception to that rule...intresting one too.
 
3trQN said:
I don't know much about liquid crystals, but they could also be an exception to that rule...intresting one too.
Liquid crystal is a long polar molecule (chiral too I think).
AFAIK it is not any sort of crystal in the chemical sense.
However, when in an electric field the heads and tails line up and form a periodic array. A sort of quasicrystal that polarizes light. Without the electric field they just asume a random orientation.
 
I see, by quasi-crystal do you mean that the liquid develops regions of crystaline structure and some where it is still amorphous? Or that its only an induced crystallinity and not a natural one?

These are similar to magnetic domains in ferromagnets no?
 
3trQN said:
I see, by quasi-crystal do you mean that the liquid develops regions of crystaline structure and some where it is still amorphous? Or that its only an induced crystallinity and not a natural one?
The nature of the beast is such that you will have molecules that don't cooperate. So you will have some residual amorphous areas.

Primarily I just mean that, with an electric field, the liquid crystal molecules form a periodic array. Much the same way that an ordinary crystal is a periodic array of molecules or atoms. Unlike the ordinary crystal there are no chemical bonds being formed or broken as the electric field is applied. Induced crystallinity.

3trQN said:
These are similar to magnetic domains in ferromagnets no?
I suppose there is some anology here.
I don't think I would go to far with it though.
 
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Right you are, thanks.
 
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NoTime said:
Liquid crystal is a long polar molecule (chiral too I think).
AFAIK it is not any sort of crystal in the chemical sense.
However, when in an electric field the heads and tails line up and form a periodic array. A sort of quasicrystal that polarizes light. Without the electric field they just asume a random orientation.
Not true.

In the complete absense of applied external fields, you can have both long-range anisotropy as well as long-range positional ordering. It only takes an electric field to make a macroscopic single-crystal.

This is loosely analogous to the magnetization of a ferromagnet.
 
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