Elephant toothpaste to fight fires?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a reaction similar to the "elephant toothpaste" experiment as a method for firefighting. Participants explore the potential of creating a transportable device that could utilize this reaction to extinguish fires and prevent the spread of toxic gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes testing whether a decomposition reaction similar to "elephant toothpaste" could be effective in stopping fires and mitigating poisonous gas emissions.
  • Another participant notes that while foams are used in firefighting, the specific gas produced in the elephant toothpaste reaction should be considered in relation to fire behavior.
  • Some participants suggest exploring other reactions that generate fire-quenching gases and the potential for foaming those gases.
  • A participant mentions intumescent paint as a potential alternative, discussing its application and the challenges of using it effectively in firefighting.
  • It is noted that foam-based portable extinguishers for flammable liquids already exist, indicating that the concept of using foams in firefighting is established, but the classic elephant toothpaste reaction may not be suitable.
  • One participant highlights that the foam produced in the common elephant toothpaste experiment contains oxygen, which could potentially reignite a fire rather than extinguish it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of using the elephant toothpaste reaction for firefighting, with some supporting the exploration of foams and others questioning the suitability of the reaction due to its oxygen content. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical application of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various materials and methods, such as intumescent paint and foam-based extinguishers, but there are limitations regarding the specific chemical reactions and their effectiveness in fire scenarios. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the properties of the gases involved in the elephant toothpaste reaction.

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decomposition reaction (elephant toothpaste) with fire
So i'm doing a project for school with the local firefighters and we have to help save time to rescue people from a fire.

So i had an idea, What if we made a transportable device that could contain the chemicals and stuff to create a decomposition reaction. I wanted to test my theory that elephant toothpaste could stop fire if it was on top of it. Only i'm not able to due to school restrictions. Can anyone explain to me if this would work and how it would work with the stopping of fires and preventing the spreading of poisonous gas?
 
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Foams are definitely used in firefighting, but they have to be carefully selected. Think, what is the gas in the elephant toothpaste and how is it related to fire?
 
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You could then consider reactions which generate other, fire quenching gases and look to foam it.
 
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Borek said:
Foams are definitely used in firefighting, but they have to be carefully selected. Think, what is the gas in the elephant toothpaste and how is it related to fire?
+100 to this.

Try searching intumescent paint. Drill down a little, read some data sheets, and think about spraying it on a fire. The data sheets recommend applying the paint using airless spray. I have not seen any references to using the liquid paint as a fire stopper, so that would be a good project. This paint is apparently viscous, and the normally recommended airless spray equipment is quite large and expensive. Another possibility is to spray using carbon dioxide as the propellant.

You could try spraying using an engine wash gun. If initial tests look promising, and you need more flow, look into Fox Valve venturi eductors: https://www.foxvalve.com/. I have had good luck with their eductors.
 
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Foam based portable extinguishers (for flammable liquids) do exists already.
I guess that confirms at least the idea itself.
So what remains is to pick the right materials.
The classic 'elephant toothpaste' does not fit.
 
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There are two elephant toothpaste experiments that I am aware of. I think you mean the one using hydrogen peroxide with potassium iodide. The foam produced contains oxygen, which will re-kindle a glowing splint. I tend to think that the foam would promote rather than extinguish a fire.
 
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