Elliptical motion in polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of elliptical motion using polar coordinates. The original poster presents their work on deriving expressions related to the trajectory of an ellipse, including calculations for position, velocity, and angular displacement.

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  • Participants engage with the original poster's calculations, questioning the use of squared terms in the angular displacement formula and the correctness of derivatives. There are suggestions to correct specific errors in the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement
Given that ##x(t)=a\cos(\Omega t)## and ##y(t)=b\sin(\Omega t)##, identify the trajectory and then find the position and velocity vectors in polar coordinates.
Relevant Equations
##\vec{r}=r\hat{r}=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\hat{r}##, ##\theta=\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)##, ##\vec{v}=\frac{dr}{dt}\hat{r}+r\frac{d\hat{r}}{dt}=\frac{dr}{dt}\hat{r}+r\frac{d\theta}{dt}\hat{\theta}##
I think I have completed the exercise but since I have seldom used polar coordinates I would be grateful if someone would check out my work and tell me if I have done everything correctly. Thanks.
My solution follows.

Since ##\left(\frac{x}{a}\right)^2+\left(\frac{y}{b}\right)^2=1## it follows that the trajectory is an ellipse centered at the origin with axes ##a## and ##b.## Now, ##\vec{r}=r\hat{r}=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\hat{r}=\sqrt{a^2\cos^2(\Omega t)+b^2\sin^2(\Omega t)}\hat{r}## and
##\theta=\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)=\arctan\left(\frac{b}{a}\tan(\Omega t)\right)## so, since ##\frac{dr}{dt}=\frac{-2a^2\cos(\Omega t)\sin(\Omega t)\Omega+2b^2\cos(\Omega t)\sin(\Omega t)\Omega}{2\sqrt{a^2\cos^2(\Omega t)+b^2\sin(\Omega t)}}=\frac{(b^2-a^2)\Omega\sin(2\Omega t)}{2r}## and ##\frac{d\theta}{dt}=\frac{1}{1+\left(\frac{b}{a}\tan(\Omega t)\right)^2}\cdot\frac{b}{a}\cdot \frac{1}{\cos^2(\Omega t)}\cdot\Omega=\frac{a^2\cos^2(\Omega t)}{a^2\cos^2(\Omega t)+b^2\sin^2(\Omega t)}\cdot\frac{b}{a}\cdot\frac{1}{\cos^2(\Omega t)}\cdot\Omega=\frac{ab\Omega}{r^2}## we have that
\begin{align*}
\vec{v}&=\frac{dr}{dt}\hat{r}+r\frac{d\hat{r}}{dt}=\frac{dr}{dt}\hat{r}+r\frac{d\theta}{dt}\hat{\theta}\\ &=\frac{(b^2-a^2)\Omega\sin(2\Omega t)}{2r}\hat{r}+r\frac{ab\Omega}{r^2}\hat{\theta}\\
&=\frac{(b^2-a^2)\Omega\sin(2\Omega t)}{2r}\hat{r}+\frac{ab\Omega}{r}\hat{\theta}
\end{align*}
 
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Why do you have the squared tangent in the ##\theta (t)## calculation? (OP was edited).
 
dextercioby said:
Why do you have the squared tangent in the ##\theta (t)## calculation?
Typo. Fixed, thanks.
 
Please fix the whole calculation. There's no 2 anymore, since there's no square in the argument of ##\arctan ## (OP was again edited).
 
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dextercioby said:
Please fix the whole calculation. There's no 2 anymore, since there's no square in the argument of ##\arctan ##.
Done.
 
dextercioby said:
Much better.
Thanks!
 
Sorry, there's an error in the ##\frac{dr}{dt}## calculation. The derivative of ##\cos## carries a minus.
 
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dextercioby said:
Sorry, there's an error in the ##\frac{dr}{dt}## calculation. The derivative of ##\cos## carries a minus.
Corrected. Thanks again.
 
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Sorry, last check also in ##\frac{dr}{dt}## calculation. The 2 in the denominator stays there, if you use the 2 in the numerator to obtain the ##\sin## of double angle, right?
 
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dextercioby said:
Sorry, last check also in ##\frac{dr}{dt}## calculation. The 2 in the denominator stays there, if you use the 2 in the numerator to obtain the ##\sin## of double angle, right?
You are right.
 

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