EMF induced in a wire loop rotating in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electromotive force (emf) induced in a wire loop that is rotating within a magnetic field. Participants are exploring the relationship between the magnetic field, electric field, and the motion of charges in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are questioning the origin of the electric field in a time-independent magnetic field and the reasoning behind the expression for emf as ##\vec v \times \vec B##. There are discussions about the nature of motional emf and the conditions under which the area for calculating magnetic flux remains constant on average but varies instantaneously.

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Some participants have provided insights into the Lorentz force and its implications for charge movement and electric field generation. There is an acknowledgment of the need to discuss the equilibrium condition between electric and magnetic forces, with varying perspectives on the applicability of the quasi-static approximation. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the time-dependence of the magnetic field and the motion of charges, as well as the implications of Gauss's law in this scenario. There is an indication that the problem may involve complexities that require deeper exploration.

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To solve this problem, we need to evaluate the following integral: $$\epsilon = \int_{P}^{C} (\vec v \times \vec B) \vec dl$$

The main problem is, in fact, how do we arrive at it! I can't see why a Electric field arises at the configuration here. The magnetic field of the rotating sphere is time independent ##(\frac{ d \omega }{dt}) = 0##. The magnetic dipole at the center is also time independent.

So why do a electric field arise? Worst: Why do it arise and is equal to ##\vec v \times \vec B##?
 
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Have you studied motional emf?
 
kuruman said:
Have you studied motional emf?
It is more about the difficult to see that the area to calculate the flux is constant in avarage, but in infinitesimally time it is varying?
 
Herculi said:
So why do a electric field arise? Worst: Why do it arise and is equal to ##\vec v \times \vec B##?
This link might be helpful.
 
The Lorenz force ##F_L=(v\times B)q## makes the electrons move, and this creates charge separation or simply charge density ##\rho\neq 0##. This charge density creates electric field according to Gauss's law $$\nabla\cdot \mathbf{E}=\rho$$.
How do we know that the line integral of this electric field equals to $$\int_C^P \mathbf{E}\cdot d\mathbf{l}=\int_C^P(\mathbf{v}\times\mathbf{B})\cdot d\mathbf{l}$$.

Well we also impose the additional equilibrium condition $$F_E=F_B\Rightarrow \mathbf{E}q=-(\mathbf{v}\times\mathbf{B})q$$

I am feeling we 'll have to open some can of worms if we going to discuss why this equilibrium condition holds but anyway that is my take on this problem.

P.S In my opinion the equilibrium condition holds approximately in the quasi static approximation, that is when B and v are independent of time or vary slowly in time so that the charges move to the equilibrium position almost instantaneously.
 
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