Endothermic and Exothermic Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of endothermic and exothermic reactions, particularly focusing on how to determine the nature of a reaction based on enthalpy changes and the energy associated with chemical bonds. Participants explore specific examples, such as the melting of ice, to illustrate their points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a reaction is endothermic if the change in enthalpy (ΔH) is greater than 0, while it is exothermic if ΔH is less than 0.
  • Others argue that the energy associated with the bonds of reactants and products can also indicate the reaction type, with exothermic reactions having stronger bonds in reactants than in products.
  • A participant questions the classification of the melting of ice as endothermic despite the perception that solid water has stronger bonds than liquid water, citing the positive enthalpy change.
  • Another participant clarifies that melting ice requires energy input to overcome intermolecular forces, thus supporting the endothermic classification.
  • One reply emphasizes the importance of specifying temperature and pressure when discussing phase transitions, noting that the process is endothermic under equilibrium conditions for first-order phase transitions of water.
  • Another participant points out that the bond energies of H2O remain constant across different states, and the distinction lies in the intermolecular forces rather than the covalent bonds themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of bond strength and energy changes in the context of phase transitions. There is no consensus on the confusion surrounding the melting of ice and its classification as endothermic or exothermic, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about bond energies and intermolecular forces, as well as the conditions under which phase transitions occur. The complexity of enthalpy changes in different states of matter is acknowledged.

undertow
How can you tell when a reaction is endo or exothermic? From what i understand there are two ways to know:
1) if the enthaply(change in H) is greater than 0, it's endothermic. If the change in H is lower than 0, its exothermic.

2) Also,when the chemical bonds of the reactant molecules are greater than the energy stored in the chemical bonds of product molecules, the reaction is exothermic. In endothermic chemical reactions, the situation is reversed: more chemical energy is stored in the bonds of the product molecules than in the bonds of the reactant molecules.

However, when i see an example like the melting of ice this doesn't make sense:

H20(solid) ---> H20(liquid) Enthalpy= +6.01 kJ

The enthalpy is greater than zero, so it would be an endothermic reaction. But doesn't the reactant, H20(s), have stronger bonds than the product, H20(g), making it a exothermic reaction? a solid has stronger bonds than a liquid. someone please explain
 
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If the enthalpy increases, i.e. energy is released, and the temperature increases, then the reaction is exothermic. Energy goes out.

By convention + change in H indicates the heat is absorbed, or the reaction is endothermic.

As for the difference between H2O (s) and H2O (l), energy must be put into the solid to make liquid (heat of fusion) and energy must be put into liquid to make gas, or vapor (heat of vaporization).
 
ice melting into liquid water takes energy.
When solid, the water molecules are not moving very much and the molecules form nice crystals.
As a liquid, the molecules flow much more freely and do not interact with each other as much.
So in order to over the intermolecular forces, you have to put energy into the system, thus it is endothermic.
 
For the H20(solid) ---> H20(liquid) Enthalpy= +6.01 kJ

you need to specify the temperature and pressure. The reaction refers to a phase transition, the complete conversion of one phase to another. It you're at the equilibrium temperature (referring to chemical potentials), then the process is always endothermic for first order phase transitions of water (from solid up) at lower pressures, because you're trying to convert all of the solid to liquid and the system is stable. Don't get into it too much, enthalpy can be confusing.

The bond rule that you mentioned refers to covalent bonds for the most part within the molecule; that is the bond of the reactants and product molecules/species. It's referring to the enthalpy of formation of each species.
 
Undertow, you're getting confused about the intermolecular forces of water. H2O has the same bond energies whether it's in gaseous, liquid or solid form. The H-O bonds are still the same. what differs are the intermolecular forces that are holding all of the H2O molecules as a whole: i.e. dipole-dipole, LDF, Hydrogen bonding. when water is melted from ice to liquid form, the system takes out energy from the surroundings in order to do the melting. This you showed correctly with the positive delta H.
 

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