Energy conservation equation to find equation for final velocity

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The discussion revolves around the application of the energy conservation equation to determine the final velocity of an object in a physics problem. Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy at different points in the system.

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  • The original poster attempts to use energy conservation principles to derive a formula for final velocity, questioning the validity of their approach after receiving differing feedback from peers. Some participants raise concerns about the definitions of points in the problem and the notation used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing affirmations and clarifications regarding the energy conservation equation. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem setup, particularly concerning the labeling of points and the notation for height and energy.

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Participants note the importance of clearly defining points in the problem to avoid confusion, particularly regarding the use of symbols for both points and their corresponding heights. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in the answers derived by different individuals.

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Homework Statement
Use an energy conservation equation to find an expression for the skier’s speed as she flies off the ramp at point D. There is negligible friction between the skis and the ramp, and you can ignore the air resistance
Relevant Equations
KE = 1/2 mv²
PE = mgh
Energy conservation: E_A = E_D
I initially thought about the different forms of energy present at each of the points:
Total energy at starting point: PEA+ KEA= mgH

at point D:
KE_D = 1/2mv2f PED= mgD
Energy at point D: PED+ KED
D = mgD + 1/2 mv2f

because EA= ED

mgH = mgD = 1/2 mv2f
mg(H-D) = 1/2 mv2f
g(H-D) = 1/2 v2f
so my Vf
came out to be the √2g(H-D)

I have checked this with one of my friends work and he has got a completely different answer to this. This seems logical to me, but I'm new to physics so I would appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction (not providing the solution). Thanks everyone!
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You are correct.
 
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Racoon5 said:
Energy conservation: E_A = E_D
There is not a point A. ##E_H=E_D##?
Racoon5 said:
mgH = mgD = 1/2 mv2f
Presumably you meant mgH = mgD + 1/2 mv2f
Racoon5 said:
came out to be the √2g(H-D)
What you have written means (√2)g(H-D).
To show it correctly you can write √(2g(H-D)) or use LaTeX:
##\sqrt{2g(H-D)}##
 
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haruspex said:
There is not a point A. ##E_H=E_D##?

Presumably you meant mgH = mgD + 1/2 mv2f

What you have written means (√2)g(H-D).
To show it correctly you can write √(2g(H-D)) or use LaTeX:
##\sqrt{2g(H-D)}##
Thanks! You have a good point calling it point H. Perhaps I should define the points (A = initial, B = end of ramp, C = on the ground).
 
Racoon5 said:
Thanks! You have a good point calling it point H. Perhaps I should define the points (A = initial, B = end of ramp, C = on the ground).
Yes, that is better than using the same symbol for a point and its height.
If H and D had not been given, I would have used uppercase for the points (A, B say) and lowercase for the heights: a, b.
 
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