Energy Conservation of a car collision

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a car collision where a moving car collides with a stationary lighter car, and the two cars stick together post-collision. The goal is to calculate the final speed of the combined mass as a fraction of the initial speed.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum, questioning the algebraic manipulation of the momentum equation. There are attempts to derive the final speed based on the given masses and initial conditions.

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Some participants have provided algebraic setups and expressed confusion over the results obtained. There is a recognition of potential errors in calculations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the problem, particularly noting that it pertains to momentum rather than energy conservation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted that the problem's title may be misleading, as it suggests a focus on energy conservation, while the actual calculations are centered on momentum conservation. There is also an acknowledgment of the nature of the collision being inelastic, which affects energy considerations.

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Homework Statement


A car moving with an initial speed v collides with a second lighter stationary car that is 58.3% as massive. After the collision, the two cars stick together and move off in the same direction as before. Calculate the final speed of the two cars after the collision. Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v).


Homework Equations


M1V1+M2V2=M1Vf1+M2Vf2


The Attempt at a Solution


M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

I ended up with V/.538=Vf but it says I am wrong, any1 know what I am doing wrong?
 
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The final answer you have reported says the final velocity is greater than the initial velocity. Intuitively, you should know this is wrong.

You have M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

This setup is correct, so I think your error lies in your algebra. Try reworking the simple cleanup steps and see what happens.

PS: Your title is misleading, because your question is more concerned with the conservation of momentum, rather than the conservation of energy.

BMWPower06 said:

Homework Statement


A car moving with an initial speed v collides with a second lighter stationary car that is 58.3% as massive. After the collision, the two cars stick together and move off in the same direction as before. Calculate the final speed of the two cars after the collision. Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v).

Homework Equations


M1V1+M2V2=M1Vf1+M2Vf2

The Attempt at a Solution


M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

I ended up with V/.538=Vf but it says I am wrong, any1 know what I am doing wrong?
 
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CaptainZappo said:
The final answer you have reported says the final velocity is greater than the initial velocity. Intuitively, you should know this is wrong.

You have M1V1=M1Vf+58.3%M1Vf

This setup is correct, so I think your error lies in your algebra. Try reworking the simple cleanup steps and see what happens.

PS: Your title is misleading, because your question is more concerned with the conservation of momentum, rather than the conservation of energy.

k, so i got V/1.583=Vf

is that right? i plugged it in online but it says its wrong...
 
BMWPower06 said:
k, so i got V/1.583=Vf

is that right? i plugged it in online but it says its wrong...

That is the answer I came up with.

Perhaps someone else can chime in?
 
mv = (m + .583m)v'
v/v' = 1.583
or

v'/v = .631(7)

The question asks for Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v), so you want v'/v not v/v'. In significant units it is .632.
 
Oh, and I thought I would mention that your problem doesn't actually concern Energy Conservation, but rather the conservation of momentum. Kinetic Energy is usually not conserved in non-elastic collisions.

JJ +
 

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