Energy from the Vacuum? Real or BS?

[Ivan Seeking]

Well, to be fair, for nearly every inspired insight there are a thousand naysayers. When we can't imagine how something could be true or how something could happen, the default position is often do declare it impossible or nonsense. This is a trap that many scientists and engineers fall into. IMO, much of the overly negative declarations are really due to peer pressure. You learn to be a naysayer rather than an explorer because it's much safer and no one calls you names. Rather than saying something like "we don't know how that might be possible", or "that would violate principles of physics that are well understood so we don't see how claim X might be possible", we say, no, that's impossible.

In my experience engineers are much worse about this than physicists. I think this speaks to the crux of the difference between the two. However, in spite of everything that I've said, within most fringe subjects I find oceans of nonsense, so really both perspectives are correct to a point.

 

[russ_watters]

I took the liberty of touring these sites, saving Russ the trouble...

I am eternally in your debt.

A worse trap, Ivan (and juju), is the logical fallacy that scientists have been wrong before, and therefore must be wrong now.

And yes, juju, those are all mischaracterizations.

 

[Wave's_Hand_Particle]

I listen to late night talk show "Coast to Coast am" ;mostly to Art Bell
and have a few books on physics,(One by Dr. kaku)and there are some
who speak about how it's possible to build power units that produce
more power than you put into it and others that simply get the power
to run electrical appliances, tv sets, ect. from the air . "The Search for
Zero Point Energy"; a book , tells of the quest to find such devices. One
man claims there have been devices already built that do this in a small
way but before the units can be manufactured for sale, the inventors are
either bought off by the big OIL companies or the inventors are killed.

Some claim the "Free Energy Devices" will never be allowed until there are
no oil deposits left on Planet Earth and the Oil Companies need another
form of energy to power their new electric cars, Hydrogen powered cars,
or their new fuel cell cars.

What do you think? Is the hope for a clean Energy source that gets its
power from thin air a real possiblity or are the laws of Physics telling us
that all of this is a pipe dream?

One of the most interesting "Free Energy Devices" ever created are Batteries made from ZPE instead of the normal Fuel Cells. These were patented in the UK, they work on the principle of an Electro-Magnetic-Vacuum.

Batteries are constructed with an outer casing just like ordinary Batteries-AA.ETC. The inside contains an area of Vacuum Energy (actually it is two chambers of Positive Vacuum and Negative Vacuum), the chambers exchange energy rather like Quantum Tunneling, the Bottom Chamber ( lower half of the Battery) contains ordinary Matter[Low Energy] , so is infact a Negative Vacuum with Positive charge.

The top half is made from Negative Matter and is Positive Vacuum, which has the potential of Negative Charge. The system uses a potential membrane that causes the chambers to flip back and forth( Quantum Flip). Electrons are transported from - to + and Positrons appear back at the Low Energy chamber.

In essence, the problems started to appear in principle when someone actually Weighed ordinary Batteries with a full Charge, and then again when the batteries had run 'Dry'. The difference in Weight, according to the measurements, ordinary batteries actually weigh EXACTLY the same when FULL or EMPTY!

So if a pair of NEW, double AA duracell batteries cost $1.99, you use them for a while and, according to the Wieghts and Measures , they contain exactly the same Energy 'Full or Dry'?..so what have you actually used in between?

The ZPE low-energy Vacuum Batteries,actually are self-charging when they are actually in use.

 

[LunchBox]

Batteries are constructed with an outer casing just like ordinary Batteries-AA.ETC. The inside contains an area of Vacuum Energy (actually it is two chambers of Positive Vacuum and Negative Vacuum), the chambers exchange energy rather like Quantum Tunneling, the Bottom Chamber ( lower half of the Battery) contains ordinary Matter[Low Energy] , so is infact a Negative Vacuum with Positive charge.

The top half is made from Negative Matter and is Positive Vacuum, which has the potential of Negative Charge. The system uses a potential membrane that causes the chambers to flip back and forth( Quantum Flip). Electrons are transported from - to + and Positrons appear back at the Low Energy chamber.

Wow... where to begin...

First of all, I would like to see this patent.

Second, mixing matter and anti-matter is a VERY risky proposition. Electrons and positrons mutually annihilate, releasing an E=m*c^2 amount of energy.

Third, it is extremely difficult to create any mentionable quantity of positrons, let alone contain them (as stated previously, since they annihilate on contact with any electrons).

I seriously hope this post was a joke of some sort that I just completely missed...

And I was serious about wanting to see this patent. Please send me a link.

Cheers...

 

[Wave's_Hand_Particle]

A quick lapse of concentration on my part, I see it is still pending a classification detail?

I will dig out the overall details with regard to the above, plus the 'Bose-Nova', Piston that is at this moment 'un-classified'.

For your eyes only:http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~rcarrete/talks/2003-05-27-SIAM-DS03.pdf

http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-53/iss-8/p17.html

 

[Chronos]

Good grief. Free energy devices shrink the universe by draining dark energy.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The worst trap of all is the belief that we already know it all.

One of my physics professors [a Cal Tech Ph.D.] once stopped a lecture to convey the following notion. He said that you can ask a 2nd rate [or worse] "expert" how a nuclear reactor works, and often you will get a precise and complete description [according to the amateur]. If you ask a top notch nuclear physicist, he or she will often be much less clear or certain of themselves.

He told us to remember that.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Stated another way:

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -Bertrand Russell

Note that I'm arguing on principle and not wrt any particular claims made in this thread. I am responding only to the scope of some statements made.

 

[juju]

Hi,

Everyone is entitled to believe that something is impossible, using whatever basis they deem correct.

However, it seems shortsighted to me to absolutely deny the possibility of overunity energy production, anti-gravitic phenomena, etc. just because it lies outside the parameters of present knowledge and theory.

juju

 

[LunchBox]

However, it seems shortsighted to me to absolutely deny the possibility of overunity energy production, anti-gravitic phenomena, etc. just because it lies outside the parameters of present knowledge and theory.

Not to squash people's ideas, but... ENERGY ISN'T AN INTRINSIC QUANTITY.

You can't pick something up and say, "Oh, here's some X, let me hook it up to my energy-meter. Hmm... it has 3.82 kJ of energy." Energy is a completely artificial construct developed by scientists to create a scalar value that had some significance.

What you call

overunity energy production

I am assuming to be a process that generates more energy than it begins with. This is what is known as a perpetual motion machine. It is one of the very few things that is unequivocally impossible.

The concept we refer to as energy, is merely a balance. The universe consists of a set amount of energy. Any process merely converts some property to another, while leaving the net amount of energy in the universe the same. If "energy" could be created, then why couldn't it also be destroyed? And if it were destroyed, where would it go? The concept is laughable.

Again, sorry to shatter dreams... just dispensing loving spoonfuls of the cold, hard truth.

Cheers...

 

[Chronos]

I do not deny the possibility of such things, merely their existence. Overunity energy production and anti-gravity technology would require physics unlike any we currently know. I doubt such knowledge will be found in a garage or a web page.