Energy generated by proton-proton cycle

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The discussion revolves around the energy generated by the proton-proton cycle, specifically focusing on the calculations of reaction energies (Q values) involved in nuclear fusion processes. Participants are analyzing the mass-energy equivalence and the implications of using atomic versus ionic masses in these calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the Q values for different reactions in the proton-proton cycle but questions the negative result obtained for the total energy. Other participants suggest that there may be errors in the equations used and emphasize the importance of using the correct masses for ions rather than neutral atoms.

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Participants are actively discussing potential errors in the equations and the assumptions made regarding the masses involved in the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider ionized states in the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the specific corrections needed.

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There is mention of the need to account for the ionization of hydrogen and helium in the sun's core, which may influence the calculations being discussed. Additionally, the original poster's calculations are based on provided equations that some participants believe may be incorrect.

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My attempt

Q Reaction 1:
Q1 = 2(1.007825) - (2.014102 + 0.000549) = 9.99E-4 u

Q Reaction 2:
Q2 = 1.007825 + 2.014102 - 4.002603 = -0.980676 u

Q Reaction 3:
Q3 = 3.016030 - (4.002603 + 2(1.007825)) = 0.013807 u
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2(Q1) + 2(Q2) + Q3 = -1.945547 u

(-1.945547 u)(931.5 MeV) = -1812.28 MeV

But it is not supposed to be negative? Thanks for any help.
 
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The second equation given in the problem is wrong. See if you can figure out why and how to correct it.
 
One of the isotopes in equation 2 is wrong.

Also note that ion's fuse not neutral atoms! You should really be using the rest mass of the ion, not the rest mass of the atom. You can approximate this by subtracting the mass of the neutral atom by the mass of an electron.

To see why this important we should really write equation 1 as
\stackrel{1}{1}{H^{+}}+e^- +\stackrel{1}{1}H^{+}+e^-=\stackrel{2}{1}H^{+}+2e^-+e^+ +\nu

From this we can calculate Q1
Q1=2mass(\stackrel{1}{1}{H^{+}}) +2mass(e^-) -mass(\stackrel{2}{1}H^{+}) - 2 mass(e^-) - mass(e^+)

If we approximate the mass of the ion as the sum of the masses of the electron and the neutral atom we then get
Q1=2mass(\stackrel{1}{1}{H} ) -mass(\stackrel{2}{1}H) - mass(e^-) - mass(e^+)
 
In the core of our sun, nearly all hydrogen and helium atoms are ionized.
 

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