PeroK said:
At this point, I really do.
PeroK said:
Just an observation that when you use algebra you don't seem to resolve things. For example, twice I've pointed out that the energy in the CoM frame is ##2(m_p + m_k)c^2##. Yet, you don't use this. You retain the notation ##E_{tot}' = 2E_p'+2E_k'##. That seems not to acknowledge what we've already calculated.
That's on me. I should be more accurate and expand the equations fully.
PeroK said:
##E_{tot} = E_{p1} + m_pc^2##
##p_{tot} = p_{p1}##
##E'_{tot} = 2(m_p + m_k)c^2##
And, it's ##E_{p1}## that your after.
I understand how each equation is derived, so now moving to solve. If I am looking for ##E_{p1}##, then the top equation becomes ##E_{p1} = E_{tot} - m_pc^2##. From the equation below, ##E_{tot}^2 = p_{tot}^2c^2 + m_p^2c^4##. Therefore, ##E_{p1} = p_{tot}^2c^2 + m_p^2c^4##.
##E_{p1} = p_{p1i}^2c^2 + m_p^2c^4##.
##E_{p1} = (γmv_{p1i})^2c^2 + m_p^2c^4##
Looks like I need the velocity of the proton in the lab frame. I will get back to this at the end. For now, let's try equating the invariant equation for particles ##E^2-(pc)^2##.
##E_{p1}^2-(p_{p1}c)^2=E_{p1}^2-(p_{p1}c)^2##
It seems that either way, I need the ##p_{p1}## that I do not have because I don't know the speed of proton 1 in the lab frame.
PeroK said:
And, for any particle we have ##E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4##, just in case this is another formula your textbook thinks you can do without!
Fortunately, the authors did include that equation.
vela said:
The proton is moving with speed ##v## relative to the zero-momentum frame. It's at rest relative to the lab frame. How fast is the lab frame moving relative to the zero-momentum frame? This is essentially the same question as above. You guessed this answer earlier, but you weren't sure if you were right. How about now?
The lab frame is moving at speed ##v## relative to the zero momentum frame because the two frames differ by a speed of ##v##. This can be determined by comparing the speeds of proton 2 in both frames. Let's try solving for the velocity of proton 1 using this equation:
##v = \frac{v_x' + u}{1+\frac{uv_x'}{c^2}}##
##v = \frac{2.27*10^8 + 2.27*10^8}{1+\frac{(2.27*10^8)(2.27*10^8)}{(3*10^8)^2}}##
##v = 4.54 * 10^8 \frac{m}{s}##
Plugging v into the previous equation after quote 2:
##E_{p1} = (γmv_{p1i})^2c^2 + m_p^2c^4##
##E_{p1} = ((\frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{(4.54*10^8)^2}{(3*10^8)^2}}})(1.67*10^{-27})(4.54*10^8))^2(3*10^8)^2 + (1.67*10^{-27})^2(3*10^8)^4##
##E_{p1} = 6.27 * 10^{-20} J = 0.00000039MeV##
What a long equation. Too bad it's wrong ... At this point, either I calculated the velocity of the proton 1 wrong or it was a calculation error. (I think).