Energy loss in terms of beam momentum change

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The discussion revolves around expressing beam energy loss in an accelerator in terms of the change in beam momentum. The original poster references a specific equation from a paper and seeks to understand the mathematical derivation of this relationship.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts various manipulations of the equations related to kinetic energy and momentum but struggles to reach a conclusive form. Some participants suggest considering approximations for small changes in momentum, while others propose alternative relationships between energy and momentum.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical approaches and questioning the assumptions involved in the derivation. Some have offered insights into potential methods, such as logarithmic differentiation, but there is no consensus on a final approach or solution yet.

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Participants are navigating complexities related to the velocity and its impact on the equations, as well as the implications of approximating small changes in momentum. The original poster expresses difficulty in applying these approximations effectively.

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1. Homework Statement

Express the beam energy loss in the accelerator in terms of the change in the beam momentum.

It is taken from one paper, where
\begin{equation}
\Delta T = \left( \frac{1+\gamma}{\gamma}\right) \frac{T_0 \Delta p}{p_0}
\end{equation}expression is used for transition from one equation to the next one.

Even though it does seem legit, I don't seem to find the way to actually show it mathematically.

Please help!

2. Homework Equations

Kinetic Energy:
\begin{equation}
T= mc^2(\gamma -1)
\end{equation}

Momentum:
\begin{equation}
p= \gamma mV
\end{equation}3. The Attempt at a Solution .

\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\Delta T = T - T_0 = mc^2 (\gamma - \gamma_0)=\gamma_0 mc^2 (\gamma/ \gamma_0 -1)= \\
=\frac{T_0}{p_0}(\gamma m V_0 - p_0)=\frac{T_0}{p_0} (\gamma m V_0 - \gamma_0 m V_0)=\\
%=\frac{T_0}{p_0} \left( \frac{1+\gamma}{\gamma}\right) \frac{(\gamma^2 m V_0 - \gamma \gamma_0 m V_0)}{1+\gamma}
\end{split}
\end{equation}

I have attempted different manipulations from here, but didn't get anywhere feasible.
I have also tried the other way around, starting with the right part of the equation

\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\Delta p \left(\frac{\gamma +1}{\gamma} \right)= (p - p_0) \left(\frac{\gamma +1}{\gamma}\right) = \\
=\frac{\gamma^2 m V + \gamma mV -\gamma_0 m V_0 - \gamma \gamma_0 m V_0 }{\gamma}=\\
=\gamma m V +mV - \gamma_0 m V_0/\gamma - \gamma_0 m V_0
\end{split}
\end{equation}

It looks like, I got only one term $\gamma_0 m V_0$, but I am missing something to finalize the other terms.

What AM i Missing?
 

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You can write the last line as ##\gamma_0 m V_0 (\dots )##. I guess it needs some approximation at some point (small ##\Delta p##).
 
mfb said:
You can write the last line as ##\gamma_0 m V_0 (\dots )##. I guess it needs some approximation at some point (small ##\Delta p##).

Thanks for your reply.
Since I need to express \Delta T in \Delta p, I don't see how small \Delta p approximation helps me. As soon as I try something like that (e.g. use p_0 in place of p), it all goes to hell...

γ0mV0(…) doesn't bring me anywhere either...
 
Hmm okay, the velocity makes it messy. What about ##T^2 = p^2 + m^2## (ignoring factors of c)?
 
I finally figured it out!

The key is to apply logarithmic differentiation! \\
1)
\begin{equation}
\frac{dp}{p} = \frac{d\gamma}{\gamma} + \frac{d\beta}{\beta} = \left(\frac{\beta^2}{1-\beta^2} +1\right)\frac{d\beta}{\beta}= \gamma^2 \frac{d\beta}{\beta}
\end{equation}\\
2)
Momentum-energy relation can be written as
\begin{equation}
pc= \beta E
\end{equation}

from here
\begin{equation}
\frac{dE}{E} = \frac{dp}{p} - \frac{d\beta}{\beta} = \frac{dp}{p} - \frac{1}{\gamma^2}\frac{dp}{p}= \left( 1-\frac{1}{\gamma^2} \right) \frac{dp}{p}
\end{equation}\\
3)
\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\frac{dT}{T} = \frac{dE}{mc^2 (\gamma -1)}
=\frac{dE}{E} \frac{E}{mc^2 (\gamma -1)}
= \left( 1-\frac{1}{\gamma^2} \right) \frac{dp}{p} \frac{mc^2\gamma}{mc^2 (\gamma -1)}=\\
= \left(\frac{\gamma^2-1}{\gamma^2} \right)\frac{\gamma}{(\gamma -1)}\frac{dp}{p}
=\left(\frac{\gamma+1}{\gamma} \right) \frac{dp}{p}
\end{split}
\end{equation}
 
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