Energy momentum tensor - off diagonal terms

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The discussion centers on the energy momentum tensor components for a rod aligned along the z-axis. The participants analyze the values for T_{00}, T_{03}, and T_{33}, addressing confusion over the signs and the implications of energy flow and pressure. There is a debate about whether T_{03} should be zero and the conditions under which T_{33} might have a negative sign. The conversation also touches on the nature of the rod's rigidity and the potential effects of wave propagation, ultimately concluding that the problem does not specify external forces affecting the rod. The consensus suggests that the initial assumptions about the rod's behavior may have been overly complex.
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Homework Statement
A rod has cross sectional area A and mass per unit length \mu. Write down the stress energy tensor inside the rod, when it is under a tension F.
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Let's arrange the rod's axis parallel to the z axis.

##T_{00} = A/\mu## (since it represents the energy density)

##T_{03}=T_{30} = \frac{F\sqrt{\mu / F}}{A}## (It represents the flow of energy across the z direction)

##T_{33} = F/A## (pressure)
It seems that ##T_{33}## i have got has the wrong sign, and that ##T_{03} = T_{30}## should actually be zero.
i am a little confused on both cases: Where does the sign at ##T_{33} = (-F/A)## comes from? And why are my reasoning involving ##T_{30}## wrogn?
 
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Herculi said:
T00=A/μ (since it represents the energy density)
I hope you mean the other way around …

I did not see any reasoning from you regarding ##T_{03}##, just a statement that it is the energy current. Why should the energy current be what you quoted?

Regarding ##T_{33}##, consider how T is defined.
 
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Orodruin said:
I hope you mean the other way around …

I did not see any reasoning from you regarding ##T_{03}##, just a statement that it is the energy current. Why should the energy current be what you quoted?

Regarding ##T_{33}##, consider how T is defined.
Ok, ##T_{00}## indeed i wrote the inverse of the answer, sorry.
##T_{03} = dp_{3}/dV = \frac{F_3 dt}{dV} = \frac{F_3 dt}{A dz} = \frac{F_3}{A v} = \frac{F}{A \sqrt{F / \mu}}##
And ##T_{33}##? Pressure ##F/A## at z direction, no?
 
Why do you think ##p_3## is non-zero? Is the rod moving?
 
Orodruin said:
Why do you think ##p_3## is non-zero? Is the rod moving?
No, but the waves are propagating, no?
 
Herculi said:
No, but the waves are propagating, no?
Is there more to the problem than what you wrote in the OP? The OP says nothing about propagating waves.
 
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Orodruin said:
Is there more to the problem than what you wrote in the OP? The OP says nothing about propagating waves.
No. But since this problem is from a special relativity book, i thought that rigid objects would be meaningless here, and we should consider the deformation, and so the wave.
But i think i got it, i am overthinking the problem, maybe?
 
Well, nothing says that the rod is rigid to deformation by new external forces. There just are no such forces mentioned. All I that is mentioned is a rod under tension. Presumably after any motion arising from the application of the forces providing the tension has dissipated and the rod has settled.
 
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