Energy & Momentum Thinking Problem

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The problem involves two boxes, each with a mass of 12 kg, being raised to a shelf at a height of 1.8 m. One box is lifted vertically, while the other is pushed up a ramp with an applied force of 48 N. The goal is to determine the angle between the ramp and the ground.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the gravitational energy of the lifted box and its incorrect interpretation as a force. There is an exploration of the forces acting on the box being pushed up the ramp, including the need to consider the component of weight parallel to the ramp.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the relationship between energy and force, with some participants providing hints about analyzing forces on the ramp. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations related to the angle, with one participant suggesting a potential angle based on their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is a focus on understanding the setup and the forces involved without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Two boxes each of mass 12kg are raised 1.8m to a shelf. The first one is lifted and the second is pushed up a smooth ramp. If the applied force on the second box is 48N, calculate the angle between the ramp and the ground.


Homework Equations


W = Eg = mgh for first (lifted) box
Trig to calculate angle

The Attempt at a Solution


I first calculated the gravitational energy on the first box that is lifted:
Eg = (12kg)(9.8m/s^2)(1.8m) = 211.7N
Then, knowing that, used trig to calculate the angle between ramp and ground:
Sin (theta) = opposite (211.7N)/hypoteneuse(48N)
and, naturally, this does not compute, so where did I go wrong?
 
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Nicolaus said:
I first calculated the gravitational energy on the first box that is lifted:
Eg = (12kg)(9.8m/s^2)(1.8m) = 211.7N
That's an energy, not a force. Its units are Joules, not Newtons.
Then, knowing that, used trig to calculate the angle between ramp and ground:
Sin (theta) = opposite (211.7N)/hypoteneuse(48N)
and, naturally, this does not compute, so where did I go wrong?
Not sure what you are trying to do. Instead, examine the forces acting on the box as it is pushed up the ramp. (Assume the force applied is just enough to slide it up the ramp.)

Hint: What's the component of the box's weight parallel to the ramp?
 
Whoops, it's been a while. Anyways, I got:
Fnet = Fa - Fg(parallel)
= 48N - (12)(8.8)sin(angle)
= 48N - 117.6Nsin(a)
sin(a) = 48/117.6
angle = 24.1 degrees?
 
Nicolaus said:
Whoops, it's been a while. Anyways, I got:
Fnet = Fa - Fg(parallel)
= 48N - (12)(8.8)sin(angle)
= 48N - 117.6Nsin(a)
sin(a) = 48/117.6
angle = 24.1 degrees?
Good! :approve:
 

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