Energy needed to split an atom

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The discussion revolves around the energy required to "split" an atom, encompassing both the ionization of electrons from an atom and the nuclear processes involved in fission or dissociation of the nucleus. Participants explore various interpretations of "splitting" an atom, including the removal of electrons and the division of the nucleus into smaller parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition of "split," suggesting it could refer to ejecting particles from the nucleus or nuclear fission.
  • One participant proposes calculating the energy needed to split an atom by using atomic masses and the mass-energy equivalence principle.
  • Another suggests using binding energy per nucleon to determine the energy required to dissociate an atom into its constituent nucleons.
  • There are discussions about the feasibility of using heat energy to split an atom, with some expressing uncertainty about whether this is possible.
  • One participant mentions that ionization energies are relevant but questions if heat can be used to remove all electrons or split the nucleus.
  • Clarifications are made regarding terminology, distinguishing between fission, spallation, and ionization, with emphasis on the different energy scales involved.
  • Links to resources such as atomic mass tables and nuclear binding energy charts are provided for further reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of "splitting" an atom, with multiple interpretations and competing views on the processes involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific energy values and methods for splitting an atom.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding about the concepts involved, and there are references to different energy scales for ionization (eV to keV) versus nuclear processes (MeV). The discussion highlights the need for clarity in terminology and assumptions regarding the processes being discussed.

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Is there a table or a graph out there that states the amount of energy needed to split an atom? I know about ionization energies and all that, but there wasn't anything on the internet on how much energy is required to ionize the whole atom. Thank you in advance
 
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What do you mean by split? Simply causing part of the nucleus to be ejected, such as a neutron or an alpha particle? Or something similar to nuclear fission in Uranium where the nucleus splits into to large pieces and emits several neutrons at the same time?
 
I mean both taking the electrons away from a nucleus and then splitting that nucleus, if you know what I mean. For example, seperating the proton and the electron from a hydrogen atom, or ionizing the two electrons from a helium atom then splitting the two protons and neutrons.
 
eddybob123 said:
I mean both taking the electrons away from a nucleus and then splitting that nucleus, if you know what I mean. For example, seperating the proton and the electron from a hydrogen atom, or ionizing the two electrons from a helium atom then splitting the two protons and neutrons.
For a rough estimate, simply take the atomic masses for the two nuclei to be produced, and subtract the atomic mass of the original nucleus, and multiply by c2.

See - mass.mas03 - Atomic mass table
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/masses/index.html
 
Ok, I wasn't sure if you wanted to simply split a certain atom "in half" or actually disassemble it into its constituent parts.
As Astronuc said, if you find the mass of what you want to split the atom into, and then subtract the atom's mass from that, you can find the minimum needed energy.
(IE you can find the mass of 2 protons, 2 neutrons, and 2 electrons and add them all up and subtract the mass of the Helium atom from it to find the energy)
 
If one wants to dissociate an atom into its constituent nucleons, then one would apply the energy equivalent to binding energy per nucleon (BE/A) multiplied by the total number of nucleons.

http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/ and click on the box BE/A and select 1 under Zoom.


Perhaps the best way to fission a non-fissile atom is to hit it with an antiproton, but that will anihilate one of the protons, but it releases a lot of energy. It is more practical to hit the nucleus with high energy proton.
 
I'm kind of thinking it as the amount of heat energy to split the atom. I'm just a beginner in this field, so I'm not really sure if it is possible to do it with only heat.

This is similar to the ionization energies that I mentioned, except instead of just taking one or two electrons with heat energy, you're taking all of the electrons. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible to split a nucleus with heat energy. If it's not, please tell me.
 
eddybob123 said:
I'm kind of thinking it as the amount of heat energy to split the atom. I'm just a beginner in this field, so I'm not really sure if it is possible to do it with only heat.

This is similar to the ionization energies that I mentioned, except instead of just taking one or two electrons with heat energy, you're taking all of the electrons. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible to split a nucleus with heat energy. If it's not, please tell me.

Heat energy is simply the motion of trillions and trillions of particles in an object. When a proton is "heated" to 10 million degrees, all that means is that it is traveling with an enormous velocity.
 
So then calculate it with respect to that. If one mole of atoms requires 300 kilojoules to ionize the first electron, then calculate the velocity of the atom.
 
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eddybob123 said:
So then calculate it with respect to that. If one mole of atoms requires 300 kilojoules to ionize the first electron, then calculate the velocity of the atom.

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Are you wanting something or are you asking someone to calculate something or what?
 
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I'm just asking for a table, indicating energy needed to split an atom.
 
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You also have to be a little more clear on what youmean by "split". Only some atoms are fissionable, but all atoms (AFAIK) can undergo spallation.
 
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eddybob123 said:
I'm kind of thinking it as the amount of heat energy to split the atom. I'm just a beginner in this field, so I'm not really sure if it is possible to do it with only heat.

This is similar to the ionization energies that I mentioned, except instead of just taking one or two electrons with heat energy, you're taking all of the electrons. Also, I'm not sure if it's possible to split a nucleus with heat energy. If it's not, please tell me.
I think one needs to be clear about terminology. Splitting an atom usually means fissioning the nucleus into two nuclei of lesser Z. Spallation usually usually means knocking out a smaller nuclei leaving a much heavier nuclei, although for light atoms, there is not much different between Zs. Spallation could mean knocking out a proton, deuteron, or alpha particle from a light atom, e.g., C, N, O, B, Al, etc.

Ionization means removing the electrons from an atom, and that does not mean splitting an atom. One may remove one electron up to Z electrons, in which case a nucleus if fully ionized. Electron energies are in the ev up to keV range. In contrast, removing nucleons or nuclear particles from nuclei requires energies in the MeV range.
 

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