Energy of particle when under a central force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy of a particle under a central force, specifically focusing on potential and kinetic energy. The context includes comparisons to gravitational forces and orbital mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore methods for calculating kinetic energy based on potential energy and central forces. Questions arise regarding the derivation of force equations and the implications of total mechanical energy being zero.

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Participants are actively questioning assumptions about energy states and the nature of orbits. Some guidance is offered regarding the implications of mechanical energy values in orbital dynamics, particularly in relation to different types of orbits.

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There is mention of an inverse-cube force in the original problem, which contrasts with the more common inverse-square force seen in gravitational contexts. The discussion also touches on the use of the virial theorem for future reference.

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Homework Statement
A particle moves in a circular orbit about the origin under action of a central force ##\vec F = -k\hat r/r^3##. If the potential energy is zero at infinity, what is the total energy of the particle?
Relevant Equations
##E_{total} = E_{kinetic} + E_{potential}##
I calculated the potential energy of the particle as follows :

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But I am not sure how to calculate the kinetic energy. I know that if it was a satellite orbiting a Earth, I could use ##\frac {GMm} {r^2} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## to calculate the velocity v and they I could calculate kinetic energy as ##E_{kinetic} = \frac {mv^2} 2##.
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
I know that if it was a satellite orbiting a Earth, I could use ##\frac {GMm} {r^2} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## to calculate the velocity v and they I could calculate kinetic energy as ##E_{kinetic} = \frac {mv^2} 2##.
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?

Where did the left-hand side come from in the case of the gravitational force?
 
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Orodruin said:
Where did the left-hand side come from in the case of the gravitational force?

The term is the gravitational force acting between Earth and the satellite.

I put ##\frac k {r^3} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## and found ##E_{kinetic} = \frac k {2r^2}##. Is this correct? If this is correct, that would mean the total energy of the particle is 0. Is this possible?
 
Saptarshi Sarkar said:
If this is correct, that would mean the total energy of the particle is 0. Is this possible?
Sure. Why not?
 
vela said:
Sure. Why not?

Won't that mean that the particle is not bound anymore?
 
It's right on the edge. Give it a little more energy, and it will go off to infinity. Take a little away, and it'll spiral in.
 
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Hmm. A circular orbit should have a negative total mechanical energy, as should any elliptical orbit. The on-the-edge orbit is that of a parabola where the total mechanical energy is zero. Hyperbolic orbits have positive values for total mechanical energy.

I think there must be a sign issue with your PE. If you look at some common expressions for the specific mechanical energy for an orbit:

##\xi = \frac{v^2}{2} - \frac{\mu}{r}##
##\xi = - \frac{\mu}{2a}##
##\xi = \mu \frac{\left(e^2 - 1 \right)}{2p}##

where ##a## is the semi major axis, ##e## is the eccentricity, and ##p## is the semi latus rectum.

You should be able to tell from these expressions that bound orbits will have negative mechanical energy.
 
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gneill said:
Hmm. A circular orbit should have a negative total mechanical energy, as should any elliptical orbit. The on-the-edge orbit is that of a parabola where the total mechanical energy is zero. Hyperbolic orbits have positive values for total mechanical energy.
For an inverse-square force. The problem the OP is dealing with is an inverse-cube force.
 
vela said:
For an inverse-square force. The problem the OP is dealing with is an inverse-cube force.
I thought the cube was an error, since in the original problem statement there was a vector r in the numerator. The "extra" r in the denominator accounts for forming a unit vector: ##\frac{\vec{r}}{|r|}##
 
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The original problem statement has a unit vector in the numerator.
 
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vela said:
The original problem statement has a unit vector in the numerator.
Fair enough. I stand corrected.
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?
For future reference, with such problems you can get the answer directly by considering the virial theorem.
 
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