Energy question with constant velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the speed of a heavy object just before it hits the ground after being lifted vertically at a constant speed for a specified duration before being dropped. The subject area includes concepts of energy conservation, specifically potential and kinetic energy, as well as motion under gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss methods to calculate potential energy before the drop and its conversion to kinetic energy during the fall. There are questions about the role of time in the calculations and how to account for the object's motion at the moment of release.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest using conservation of energy principles, while others highlight the need to consider the object's kinetic energy at the moment of release. There is recognition of differing interpretations regarding the assumptions made about the object's motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of assumptions regarding air resistance and the initial motion of the object when it is released, which may affect the calculations and the final answer.

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Homework Statement



At what speed would a heavy object hit the ground if it was lifted vertically from the ground at a constant speed of 1.2 m/s for 2.5s and then dropped?

Homework Equations



Ep= mgh
Ek= 1/2 mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Im not sure how to do this. Do i find Ek 1/2mv^2 going up and at the top Ek = Ep? then with Ep at the top drops down Ep=Ek=1/2m(v^2-vi^2)? But what do i do with the time?

The answer is: 7.7m/s
 
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You need to find the potential energy just before the drop. You just learned how to do that is a similar problem :)

Then you can apply your equations.
 
There are two ways to solve this problem:

1) Use the equation that relates velocity and time to calculate the displacement (aka height). Then calculate the potential energy just before the drop. Then during the drop the PE will be converted to KE. Apply conservation of energy. An unknown will cancel. Solve for final velocity. Only then substitute the numbers.

2) As above to work out the height. Then because gravity can be assumed constant over small distances you can apply one of the standard equation of motion to work out the final velocity from the height and acceleration (a=g)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_of_motion#SUVAT_equations

Edit: I suppose you should also state any assumptions made. For example about air resistance.
 
Don't forget the cotton-picker is still moving when it reaches 2.5 s x 1.2 m/s. bSo at that point it has k.e. and p.e. But just before it reaches the ground it has only k.e.
 
rude man said:
Don't forget the cotton-picker is still moving when it reaches 2.5 s x 1.2 m/s. bSo at that point it has k.e. and p.e. But just before it reaches the ground it has only k.e.
I agree, but to get the given answer of 7.7 you have to ignore that :frown:.
 
haruspex said:
I agree, but to get the given answer of 7.7 you have to ignore that :frown:.

Not so! When you combine the k.e. at the point where the ball is released with the p.e. at that point and equate them to the k.e. at the bottom you get the advertised answer.

EDIT; OK, you get 7.76 my way but if you assume the weight has stopped moving before being let go then it's 7.67.
 
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rude man said:
Don't forget the cotton-picker is still moving when it reaches 2.5 s x 1.2 m/s. bSo at that point it has k.e. and p.e. But just before it reaches the ground it has only k.e.

Well spotted. I'd totally missed that.

You could still solve it using either method (eg Energy or equations of motion) but they would need to be modified to take that into account.
 
CWatters said:
Well spotted. I'd totally missed that.

You could still solve it using either method (eg Energy or equations of motion) but they would need to be modified to take that into account.

Don't feel bad - looks like the problem poser missed it too (his answer seems to assume at rest at 3m). :smile:
 

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