Energy, work, power and efficiency when throwing a ball upward

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of energy, work, power, and efficiency in the context of a ball thrown upward. The original poster presents a problem involving a 1.0-kg ball thrown from a height of 1.0 m with an initial speed of 10 m/s, reaching a height of 4.5 m, and seeks to determine the efficiency of the energy transformation involved.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of initial and final energy using kinetic and potential energy formulas. Questions arise regarding the definition of efficiency and how to account for initial potential energy in the calculations. Some participants suggest considering different reference points for gravitational potential energy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various interpretations of how to calculate efficiency. Some guidance is offered regarding the treatment of initial potential energy, and there is acknowledgment of differing answers between personal calculations and textbook results.

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Participants note the importance of defining the reference level for gravitational potential energy, which affects the efficiency calculation. There is a mention of the textbook's differing answer, prompting further exploration of assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
A 1.0-kg ball thrown upward from 1.0 m above the ground with a speed of 10 m/s reaches a height of 4.5 m. What was the efficiency of this energy transformation?
Relevant Equations
Efficiency
I don't have an idea of where to start. I tried to do
Ein = 1/2 mv^2 ------ (1/2)(1)(10)^2 ----------- 50
but i don't know where to go from here
 
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danielsmith123123 said:
Homework Statement:: A 1.0-kg ball thrown upward from 1.0 m above the ground with a speed of 10 m/s reaches a height of 4.5 m. What was the efficiency of this energy transformation?
Relevant Equations:: Efficiency

I don't have an idea of where to start. I tried to do
Ein = 1/2 mv^2 ------ (1/2)(1)(10)^2 ----------- 50
but i don't know where to go from here
"Efficiency" is not an equation.

How high would the ball rise if the energy transformation were 100% efficient? What about if the energy transformation were 50% efficient?
 
kuruman said:
"Efficiency" is not an equation.

How high would the ball rise if the energy transformation were 100% efficient? What about if the energy transformation were 50% efficient?
Mass: 1 kg Initial height: 1 m Final height : 4.5 m Initial velocity: 10 m/s, assumption that final velocity is 0m/s

E-in= mgh + 1/2 * mv^2. = 1 kg * 9.81 * 1 m + 1/2 * 1 kg * (10 m/s)^ 2 = 9.81 + 50 = 59.81 Joules

E-out= mgh = 1 kg * 9.81 * 4.5 m = 44.145 Joules.

44.145/59.81 * 100% = 73.8%

I reviewed this with my classmates and they said it is correct but the textbook says the answer is 69%
 
I think your book wants you to consider the zeroth level of gravitational potential energy to be at the height of 1m. It is because it asks for the efficiency of transformation of kinetic energy to potential energy, you shouldn't take the additional 9.81 potential energy as part of the input(or output) energy because it is not transformed from kinetic energy, it just exists there.
 
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Delta2 said:
I think your books wants you to consider the zeroth level of gravitational potential energy to be at the height of 1m. It is because it asks for the efficiency of transformation of kinetic energy to potential energy, you shouldn't take the additional 9.81 potential energy as part of the input energy because it is not transformed.
This really. If you are allowed to arbitrarily include energy that was already potential energy in the original energy, you can get any answer you want by selecting different zero levels.
 
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