Engineer Who Made a Big Impact: Who Is Greatest?

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The discussion revolves around identifying an engineer who has made a significant contribution to the world, suitable for a short biography. Participants explore various historical and contemporary figures from engineering, physics, and related fields, considering their impacts and relevance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest I. K. Brunel as an interesting character with substantial biographical information.
  • Phil Irving is mentioned as a notable engineer.
  • Simon van der Meer is proposed for his role in designing a particle accelerator that discovered W and Z particles, though some express uncertainty about the significance of this contribution to engineering.
  • Others argue for figures like Steve Jobs, Oppenheimer, Werner von Braun, Edison, Tesla, Nyquist, and Bode, highlighting their diverse contributions.
  • Bessemer is noted for enabling mass production of steel, while Kelly Johnson is mentioned for his personal significance.
  • Archimedes is brought up as a historical figure, with questions about his contributions beyond the water screw.
  • Imhotep is suggested, though some doubt the complexity of pyramid design.
  • John A. Roebling is recognized for his work on the Brooklyn Bridge and suspension bridge design.
  • Participants mention Nikola Tesla for his inventions and contributions to AC motors and radio technology.
  • Jack Kilby is noted for the integrated circuit, with a claim that he is the only engineer to receive a Nobel Prize, which is later challenged by a participant stating that other engineers have also won Nobels.
  • Da Vinci is highlighted for his innovative ideas and documentation, with some participants comparing him to Tesla in terms of their impact and the resources available to them.
  • Discussion includes the notion that greatness in engineering is a collective effort over time, with each era producing significant figures.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of innovation in determining greatness, suggesting that true contributions should significantly improve society.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on who qualifies as the greatest engineer, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing views remain regarding the significance and impact of various figures discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the difficulty in categorizing contributions across different fields, such as engineering, mathematics, and physics, and the varying definitions of what constitutes a "great contribution." There is also a recognition that the context of time and available resources plays a role in evaluating contributions.

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Hey guys, i need to do a short biography of an engineer that made a great contribution to the world. Who do you think is most suitable?
 
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The BBC did a Greatest Briton contest a couple of years ago and I. K. Brunel nearly won.
Not necessarily the greatest contribution, but an interesting character with a lot of biographical information.
 
Phil Irving
 
Oblivion77 said:
Hey guys, i need to do a short biography of an engineer that made a great contribution to the world. Who do you think is most suitable?

Simon van der Meer,

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1984/meer-autobio.html,

won a Nobel prize in physics for helping to design the particle accelerator that discovered the W and Z particles predicted by electroweak theory.

I'm not sure that this qualifies as "a great contribution to the world," but it does seem that van der Meer's work currently is relevant because of the search for the Higgs particle (also predicted by electroweak theory) now underway at the Large Hadron Collider.
 
George Jones said:
Simon van der Meer,

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1984/meer-autobio.html,

won a Nobel prize in physics for helping to design the particle accelerator that discovered the W and Z particles predicted by electroweak theory.

I'm not sure that this qualifies as "a great contribution to the world," but it does seem that van der Meer's work currently is relevant because of the search for the Higgs particle (also predicted by electroweak theory) now underway at the Large Hadron Collider.

Mmmm, although that was brilliant instrumentation, I don't know if it matters much in the world of engineering :smile:

I'd rather say, a guy like Steve Jobs or Oppenheimer or Werner von Braun or Edison or Tesla, or Nyquist or Bode
 
My practical thought went to say Bessemer because he made the mass production of steel possible.

From a personal standpoint, the first name that entered my mind was Kelly Johnson.
 
It's hard to blur the distinction between engineers, mathematicians and physicists back in the day, but the first name that comes to my mind is Archimedes.
 
minger said:
It's hard to blur the distinction between engineers, mathematicians and physicists back in the day, but the first name that comes to my mind is Archimedes.

I was thinking to do Archimedes. Did he make any big contributions beside the water screw? Or I was thinking to do the guy who designed the Pyramids, i forget his name.
 
Imhotep
But I'm not sure there is much to designing a pyramids - put less blocks on each layer pretty much does it!
 
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Roebling (father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Roebling" ) of Brooklyn Bridge frame. They more or less solved the problems of suspension bridge design and coordinated the construction of the Brooklyn bridge, by themselves.

Nikola Tesla. AC Motor; probably should receive majority credit for radio.

Jack Kilby. Integrated Circuit. With all respect to Van der meer, AFICT Kilby is the only engineer to receive a nobel.

Lord Kelvin. Thermo (though he was wearing more of a physics hat for that work); Transatlantic cable, which was a complete disaster until he worked out the problems.

James Watt - Steam engine and the consequent industrial revolution.
 
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da Vinci
 
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mgb_phys said:
Imhotep
But I'm not sure there is much to designing a pyramids - put less blocks on each layer pretty much does it!

challenge was not in putting lesser blocks on each layer, challenge was to lift the blocks to that height.
 
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ank_gl said:
challenge was not in putting lesser blocks on each layer, challenge was to lift the blocks to that height.
That's just an implementation detail - I'm more a big picture person ;-)

http://www.despair.com/achievement.html
 
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I'm with Ray on this one. Just for the sheer expanse of his expertise in multiple fields, da Vinci was really the only name that popped into my head. Sure, a lot of his inventions wouldn't work, usually due to the necessary materials not existing at that time, but he sure had no shortage of great ideas... and his documentation was unparalleled.
 
  • #16
For the 'ancients' category, Id go with the Romans on engineering: concrete, aqueducts, roads, buildings. Some Roman buildings were not matched in height/scale unto close to 1000 years after the fall of the western empire.
 
  • #17
+1 for Tesla, although he was a lot more things than an engineer. I'm probably using 100+ of his inventions right now.
 
  • #19
Da Vinci or Tesla. Both saw the world not as it is but instead how it could be. Also both made lots of diverse inventions that have had dramatic effects on the world.
 
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mheslep said:
Jack Kilby. Integrated Circuit. With all respect to Van der meer, AFICT Kilby is the only engineer to receive a nobel.

Actually a number of engineers have won Nobels including the inventor of the cat-scan and the discovers of the back ground radiation.
 
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chayced said:
Da Vinci or Tesla. Both saw the world not as it is but instead how it could be. Also both made lots of diverse inventions that have had dramatic effects on the world.
My support for da Vinci on this is that he was working with wooden dowels for gears, untreated fabric for wings, etc.; Tesla had access to electricity and metal work. This is not in any way meant to demean his contributions, but he did have a head start, as have all great people who came after him.
 
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Danger said:
My support for da Vinci on this is that he was working with wooden dowels for gears, untreated fabric for wings, etc.; Tesla had access to electricity and metal work. This is not in any way meant to demean his contributions, but he did have a head start, as have all great people who came after him.

That is equivalent to saying that their head start is costing them the title of greatness. but that's just being manipulative about it.
Engineering is not a community which has a king engineer. It is a collective effort which began long ago to serve our needs in a better, more efficient ways. So each era has great engineers who served their time. So if the OP specifies the time frame in which he is looking for a great engineer, things ll be greatly simplified.
 
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ank_gl said:
That is equivalent to saying that their head start is costing them the title of greatness.

That's pretty much exactly what I meant. I don't see it as manipulative, though; it's just the way of the world. da Vinci didn't use anything that wasn't available to the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, Greeks, Romans, etc., but he used them in ways that nobody had ever thought of before. Tesla also used things in ways that nobody had thought of, but he had more to work with. The same argument can be applied to von Braun, Christopher Wren, or whoever you favour. They were all great in their own ways.
There are great engineers right here in PF, as well, and all over the world, but they work in established fields. The one thing that we all seem to agree upon is that, for the purposes of this thread, innovation is the key requirement. Not just simple innovation such as a new type of compressor or toilet, but something that truly improves society.
 
  • #24
Look at the original post:

Oblivion77 said:
Hey guys, i need to do a short biography of an engineer that made a great contribution to the world. Who do you think is most suitable?

I don't know what Oblivion77 was going to do with the short biography, and not to take anything away from Archimedes or Tesla or daVinci, but if I was going to the trouble of writing up a biography, I would look for a subject who might be unfamiliar to the audience. Or, someone they may have heard of, but not know really why. I thought the suggestion of Claude Shannon above was a really good one.

Then again, the subject line is "Greatest" engineer, so maybe the OP was looking for the king after all.
 
  • #25
I nominate 2 Britons whose work had a huge impact on the Battle of Britain and therefore on World War II:

Watson-Watt for the development of Radar and Mitchell for the design of the Spitfire (even if the latter might not meet Danger's innovation criterion because it was "just" an improvement of existing aircraft designs).
 
  • #26
Oooohhh... Spitfire... me want... :-p
You're correct that it doesn't meet my criterion as presented.
Consider if the Spitfire was the absolute state-of-the-art aircraft in the world, then some guy went off to his workshop and cobbled up a Harrier. That would put him in the category that I'm thinking of.
 
  • #27
wildman said:
... the discovers of the back ground radiation.
Smoot and Mather (2006) are astrophysicists and cosmologists and almost purely academics. They're talented physicists, no way do they qualify as engineers.
 
  • #28
Wildman was probably referring to Penzias & Wilson - pretty sure those guys were radio engineers @ bell labs

edit - anyone cleaning pigeon **** out of the antenna is an engineer, not an academic (unless maybe they're grad students...)
 
  • #29
gmax137 said:
Wildman was probably referring to Penzias & Wilson - pretty sure those guys were radio engineers @ bell labs

edit - anyone cleaning pigeon **** out of the antenna is an engineer, not an academic (unless maybe they're grad students...)

:smile:
 
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mgb_phys said:
Imhotep
But I'm not sure there is much to designing a pyramids - put less blocks on each layer pretty much does it!

but the additional engineering issue is designing how to get those blocks up there (besides how to make them) when the layer is 100 meters or so above the desert floor. and given the technology of the day, not the technology you hope to have in some future millennium.

mgb, you have the benefit of hindsight as to how they did it (besides a much more modern notion of physical science than the Egyptians had 5000 years ago). imagine doing it without the hindsight or the modern physical science.
 

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