Engineering curriculum the way it should be ?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived inadequacies of engineering curricula, particularly regarding the order in which foundational science and mathematics courses are taught. Participants explore the implications of curriculum structure on student learning and preparedness, with a focus on the first two years of an engineering degree.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concerns about the curriculum in their country, suggesting that the order of courses may hinder learning, particularly in relation to calculus and physics.
  • Another participant notes that their university requires Calculus 1 before Physics 1, but only recommends Calculus 3 for Physics 2, indicating a different approach to course prerequisites.
  • A participant argues that Linear Algebra is beneficial for understanding concepts in Physics 2, particularly in solving systems of equations, and suggests that a strong high school education could mitigate curriculum issues.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of Linear Algebra in advanced topics, particularly in Ordinary Differential Equations (ODE) and Laplace Transforms, highlighting its relevance across various subjects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of their respective curricula, with some agreeing on the importance of course order while others highlight the variability in requirements across institutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal sequence of courses.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference their educational backgrounds and the perceived quality of high school education, which may influence their views on curriculum effectiveness. There is an acknowledgment of varying standards and practices between different universities.

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Engineering curriculum the way it should be !?

Hello guys

Am a new member, and from a 3 world country. and i have been having serous doubts about the way engineering is taught here where i come from. and frankly it feels like am the only one here who cares, and at the fear of sounding paranoia-ed to everyone i know, i am seeking knowledge for this problem elsewhere. some where out of my country where i might find a good answer.
So my question is what is the right order in witch you take your science classes in the first two years of an Engineering degree ?
the subjects am talking about are:
1.cal 1
2.linear algebra
3.physics 1
4. deferential equations
5. chemistry
6. calc 2
7. calc 3
8. physics 2
of course lab 1 and lab2 physics and chemistry lab

where i come from, witch i think its weird the way they do it here.
they take semester 1: calc1,phy1,lab phy1, english,
semester 2: is calc2,phy2,,chemistry, linear algebra
semester 3: calc3, deferential equations
and then life goes on, is this right, well i went through this and i felt that i could have learned more if took calc 1,2 before physics 1 and linear algebra, deferential equations and calc 3 before phy 2, and i have searched on many curriculum in US universities and i found them to be close to what am saying yet there are some Universities who are a bit different maybe they have better students. but where i come from , our high school education is not really that good and the shift from highshcool level to Uni level is quite a jump considering the the textbooks that where using in uni our high school books in comparision look more like children coloring books !

and am quite amazed that though every one is complaining about how hard the curriculum is nobody like me is linking this unnecessary hardness with the fact that we might be taking the courses in the wrong order.

so can somebody shed some light on this matter
Student Kadris
 
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That is a strange curiculum. In my University here in the States, we are required to take Calculus 1 before we can enroll in Physics 1 (intro to mechanics). However, we are only required to have Calculus 2 in order to enroll in Physics 2 (Electricity and Magnetism), although the department strongly reccomends being enrolled in Calculus 3 at the same time.

In majority of cases, Linear Algebra is not even required. In my program, chemical engineering, we are only required to take Calculus 1-3 and Differential Equations.
 


Thank you styrkur for your replay, you don't know how revealed I am, yet still in deep distress over the fact that our university is lying to us but at the same time am relived to know that am not paranoia-ed, as for linear algebra i think it could come in handy for phy 2 in the part where you have to solve multiple equations for the electric circuit and as for calc 3 would introduce multi variable calc in a more abstract manner preparing the students for phy 2. yet that's my opinion and i may be mainly saying that because of our bad high school education but if you have a good high school education i think there is no problem with your curriculum .
can you give me the name of your university ?
 


Linear Algebra comes in handy for almost everything past Calc. 2 IMO.

Have fun in ODE with no idea about solving systems of linear equations--triple that for Laplace Transforms (at least at my school).
 

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