Engineering in Undergrad and Physics in Grad school

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision to major in Mechanical Engineering (ME) for undergraduate studies while considering a transition to physics in graduate school. Participants explore concerns about job prospects for physics graduates and the adequacy of an ME degree for preparation for graduate-level physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that majoring in physics for undergrad may lead to limited job opportunities and potential debt without a path to graduate school.
  • Another participant notes that many graduate schools allow students to complete a qualifying year to fulfill physics requirements that may not be covered in an ME degree.
  • Some participants argue against the notion that physics graduates are jobless, citing their high economic value, while others question the reliability of sources that promote this view.
  • A suggestion is made to consider a second major in physics or to take upper-level physics courses while pursuing an engineering degree to enhance graduate school prospects.
  • There is mention of programs in Engineering Physics or Engineering Science as potential pathways that blend both fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the job prospects for physics graduates and the validity of sources discussing their economic value. There is no consensus on the best undergraduate path to prepare for graduate studies in physics.

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Some claims about job prospects and economic value depend on specific definitions and contexts that are not fully explored. The discussion includes assumptions about the requirements for graduate school admission that may vary by institution.

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I'm thinking about majoring in ME for undergrad and pursuing physics in grad school since I want to be a physicist. I don't want to major in physics for undergrad because I've heard that job opportunities are extremely slim for students with bachelor degrees in physics, and in case if I can't go to grad school (I'll already be thousands of dollars in debt from college loans), I'll be stuck with a B.S in physics and be jobless if I do physics for undergrad. So, my question is, would I be prepared for grad school without a B.S in Physics? Do you know some other people who did the same thing? How did it turn out for them?
 
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Many grad schools will allow you in based on a qualifying year that requires you complete certain requirements that you would've missed in a ME degree.. Since math requirements are similar, the qualifying year would be filled with the physics courses you would've missed.

On the other hand, if you're smart about, you may be able to use your science options to take some of these physics courses and this would give you an easier qualifying year.

This is a question you would ask a physics adviser though, any forum responses should be taken lightly.
 
Quincy said:
I don't want to major in physics for undergrad because I've heard that job opportunities are extremely slim for students with bachelor degrees in physics, and in case if I can't go to grad school due to grad school (I'll already be thousands of dollars in debt from college loans), I'll be stuck with a B.S in physics and be jobless if I do physics for undergrad.

The following advice is blunt, but intended to be very helpful:
Don't make life decisions based on rumors you've heard. Make it based on facts that you've researched yourself.

Physics graduates aren't jobless. In fact, they have a high economic value.
http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/highlite/emp2/emphigh.pdf
http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/reports/emp.pdf
http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/highlite/salary/salsum06.pdf
 
Choppy said:
Physics graduates aren't jobless. In fact, they have a high economic value.

It's really not wise to trust links advocating physics from aip.org. Clearly, they will be biased.
 
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Quincy: I'd definitely go with engineering in undergrad if I were you. If you like, you could pull off a 2nd major in physics or you could just take a few upper level physics courses. That should get you into a grad school if you do well enough. But the engineering degree is a smart move. It will be much easier to find work with an engineering degree than with a pure science degree like math, physics, chem, etc.
 
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Many schools offer programs in Engineering Physics or Engineering Science.
 

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