Entanglement: Can We Logically Say a Body is in All Possible States?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of entanglement and superposition in quantum mechanics, particularly addressing the logical implications of a body being in all possible states until observed. Participants explore the relationship between observation, superposition, and entanglement, as well as the implications for macroscopic objects like Schrödinger's cat.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how we can logically assert that a body is in all possible states until observed, suggesting that observation is necessary to reach that conclusion.
  • Another participant clarifies that the initial question pertains to "superposition" rather than "entanglement."
  • A different participant notes observed qualitative differences between mixtures of states and superpositions, emphasizing that superpositions involve states that are not independent of each other.
  • Examples of entanglement are provided, including electron spin and photon polarization, illustrating how entangled states behave in relation to one another.
  • There is acknowledgment that the discussion touches on the implications of these concepts for larger, classical objects, like Schrödinger's cat.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of observation in relation to superposition and entanglement. Multiple viewpoints are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the logical assertions about states before observation.

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The discussion includes references to specific quantum phenomena and concepts that may require further clarification or definitions for a complete understanding. The relationship between entanglement and superposition is not fully resolved, and assumptions about the nature of observation in quantum mechanics are not explicitly stated.

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Look I know I`m a long way from comprehending "entanglement" but could someone help me a bit here. How can we logically say a body is in all possible states until we observe it. Don`t we have to observe it to come to that conclusion? And why can`t Schrödinger`s cat be long dead before we open up and look? Of course we can say we don`t know but how can we extend that to say "it could be alive or dead until we look"? Russ
 
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You're asking about "superposition", not "entanglement".

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We have observed qualitative differences between mixtures of states (where we just don't know what state an element is in yet) and superpositions (where, in terms of the measurement, initially each element is not in just any single state).

We've confirmed this for fundamental particles, for molecules and for collections of many atoms. The cat question merely asks, what then do we know about whether it might also be true for bigger, classical, macroscopic objects?
 
I'm not 100% sure if this is the answer you're looking for, but:

Entanglement describes quantum states of a group of objects with relation to each other. In a more direct sense, the quantum states of two objects form an entangled state, meaning their quantum states are not independent of each other.

A really common example of entanglement is in electron spin (up or down). In this example, you pair two electrons into a single quantum state in a way so that when one has spin up and the other one has to have spin down even though you can't really predict the actual set of measurements.

Another example you could probably find on google is when photons split (like when you shine a laser at a prism). When single photon splits to become two protons, their polarizations are always orthogonal to each other.

You do describe superposition there though.
 
Thank you all for the helpful answers.
 

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