Enthelpy of vapourisation vs boiling point

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the enthalpy of vaporization (ΔHvap) and boiling point of substances, specifically comparing ethanol and water. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to phase changes, molecular interactions, and thermodynamic principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that ethanol has a higher ΔHvap than water, yet water has a higher boiling point, prompting questions about the underlying reasons.
  • One participant suggests that the boiling point is determined by the relationship ΔH = TΔS, implying that the vaporization entropy for alcohol may be higher than for water.
  • A participant explains that the enthalpy of vaporization is the energy required for a substance to transition from liquid to gas, while the boiling point is related to the kinetic energy needed to overcome intermolecular forces.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the difference between the energy needed to reach boiling point and the additional energy required for vaporization, questioning the necessity of this extra energy when external forces are absent.
  • A later reply introduces conditions that characterize the boiling point, including the equality of pressure and chemical potential between the liquid and gas phases, and presents a relationship involving ΔG, ΔH, and ΔS.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the relationship between enthalpy of vaporization and boiling point. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple viewpoints remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of terms like boiling point and may involve unresolved mathematical relationships. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of thermodynamic principles.

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Ethanol has a higher ΔHvap than water (43.5 vs 41.3 kJ/mol). But water has a higher boiling point (373 vs 352K). How do we explain this?!
 
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Miffymycat said:
Ethanol has a higher ΔHvap than water (43.5 vs 41.3 kJ/mol). But water has a higher boiling point (373 vs 352K). How do we explain this?!

As the boiling point is determined by Delta H=T Delta S, the vapourisation entropy is probably even higher for alcohol than for water as compared to enthalpy.
 
Enthalpy of vapourisation of a substance is the amount of energy needed for the substance to change its state from liquid to gas.

Boiling point is the temperature at which the particles has enough kinetic energy to overcome the molecular forces of attraction between them and thus can escape into the air ( surroundings ).

I hope that's clear enough.
 
Thanks guys

Right. But even under a vacuum, liquids can still have a highish boiling point. I still find it hard to visualise the difference between the kinetic energy to overcome the IMF's by heating to the boiling point - at which point the forces between them are sufficiently low to enable the substance to overcome any external pressure and leave the liquid and the extra energy required to change the state ie enthalpy of vapourisation! What is this extra for? There no forces to overcome now!

Thank for your patience!
 
Miffymycat said:
Thanks guys

Right. But even under a vacuum, liquids can still have a highish boiling point. I still find it hard to visualise the difference between the kinetic energy to overcome the IMF's by heating to the boiling point - at which point the forces between them are sufficiently low to enable the substance to overcome any external pressure and leave the liquid and the extra energy required to change the state ie enthalpy of vapourisation! What is this extra for? There no forces to overcome now!

Thank for your patience!

You are completely right. At any temperature and pressure a certain fraction of the molecules has the sufficient amount of energy to leave the liquid and go to the gas phase.
The boiling point (of a pure substance) is characterized by three conditions:
1. The pressure of the liquid and of the gas phase are the same.
2. The temperature of the two phases is the same.
2. The chemical potential of the liquid and the gas are the same.

The last condition can be written as
[itex]\mu_g-\mu_l=\Delta G_\mathrm{vap}=\Delta H_\mathrm{vap}-T_\mathrm{vap}\Delta S_\mathrm{vap}=0[/itex]
or [itex]T_\mathrm{vap}=\Delta H_\mathrm{vap}/\Delta S_\mathrm{vap}[/itex].
Hence the boiling temperature is not determined by the vaporisation enthalpy but rather by the quotient of the enthalpy and the entropy.
 

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