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The discussion revolves around the formation of chemical compounds, specifically focusing on balanced equations for the formation of butyl propanoate and propyl methanoate, as well as reactions involving alkenes and hydrogen chloride. Participants also explore the preparation of alcohols and balancing half-cell reactions.

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  • Participants seek help with writing balanced equations for the formation of butyl propanoate and propyl methanoate, expressing confusion due to a lack of instructional material.
  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the variability in products when 1-butene reacts with HCl compared to 2-butene, suggesting chirality as a possible factor.
  • Another participant mentions the need to understand carbocation rearrangement and esterification to address their questions.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to write complete reactions for the preparation of alcohols with the formula C5H11OH, including potential methods of preparation.
  • Participants discuss balancing half-cell reactions, with one expressing frustration over difficulties in achieving balanced equations.
  • Links to external resources are shared to assist with understanding redox equations and balancing techniques.

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Participants express uncertainty and seek clarification on various topics, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct approaches or answers to the questions posed. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented without resolution.

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Participants note limitations in their course materials, including a lack of introduction to key concepts such as carbocation rearrangement and esterification, which may affect their understanding of the questions at hand.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying organic chemistry, particularly those encountering similar topics in independent learning courses or seeking assistance with balancing chemical equations and understanding reaction mechanisms.

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Write balanced equations to show the formation of each of the following compunds:
a) butyl propanote
b) propyl methanote


I am doing a horribly constructed independent learning course, they offered absolutly no information on this topic, and then asked me to solve this question..
I really don't even know how to start it.
any help would be much appreciated!
 
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2-butene and 1-butene reactions with HCl

This is another question from my independent learning course:

When 2-butene reacts with hydrogen chloride gas, only one product is detected, whereas when 1-butene reacts similarily, two products are usually found. Explain this.




I don't understand why they would say, "usually" found.

Does the answer have something to do with the fact that the second carbon in 1-butene is chiral?

I was not given very much background information on this topic, only a very brief introduction. The only reason I even know what 'chiral' means, is because my brother, told me that might be one of the reasons.
 
christinaa_s said:
Write balanced equations to show the formation of each of the following compunds:
a) butyl propanote
b) propyl methanote

I am doing a horribly constructed independent learning course, they offered absolutly no information on this topic, and then asked me to solve this question..

Hi and welcome to PF christinaa! You've come to the right place. The folks here will be happy to assist you with the difficulties you have in your course.

Both the above compounds are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester" reaction. Can you see how you can get each of the products now?

For your second question, have you learned about the rearrangement of Carbocations? If so, can you see how to apply it here?

BTW, what level is your independent learning course and what is the text you are following?
 
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thanx

My independent learning course is at an academic 12 level, and the textbook is Foundations of Chemistry, Second Addition, (Harcourt)

I have not been introduced to the rearrangement of Carbocations in this course. As well we have not been introduced to esterfication, but i will look both these topics up, in order to better understand these two questions.

Thank-you for your help :smile:
 
:)

thank-you for the suggestion i will definitely look for that textbook.

For one of the questions I have to draw structural formulas for all the alcohols with the molecular formula of C5H11OH, and give two uses for each type of alcohol, as well as write how they were prepared.

When writing how they were prepared do i just put,
'_____ was prepared by reacting with sulphuric acid solution'
'_____ was prepared by oxidation'
" by hydration...

Also are there only 8 alcohols with the structual formula of (C5H11OH) ?
and, how can I find the uses for the different types of alcohol, i looked then up but i didn't find anything about them. :rolleyes:
 
a half-cell balancing question

i really need help with this question. There were about 7 equations that i have to balance by using the half-cell method. I have already finished most of them fairly easily, but these two, i am stuck on. I have been rewriting these 2 equations for the last 7 hours :eek: , but i cannnot succesfully balance them. I don't know what I'm doing wrong..

a) SO3(-2) + MnO4(-) + H(+) <--> Mn(+2) + SO4(-2) + H2O(l)
so far i got this:

its an acid reaction,

=SO3(-2) --> SO4(-2) (was oxidized as 2 electrons were removed)
=SO3(-2) + H2O --> SO4(-2) + 2H(+)
= SO3(-2) + H2O --> S(-2) + 2H(+) + 2e-

= MnO4(-) --> Mn(2+) ( was reduced as 5 electrons were added)
= 5e(-) + MnO4(-) + 8H(+) -->Mn(+2) + 4H2O

b) Cl2(g) + OH(-) <--> Cl(-) + ClO3(-) + H2O(l)

its a basic reaction:

Cl2 --> Cl(-) + ClO(-3) -- (reduced, 2 electrons were added)
OH(-) --> H2O -- (oxidized, 1 electron was removed )
 
When writing how they were prepared do i just put,
'_____ was prepared by reacting with sulphuric acid solution'
'_____ was prepared by oxidation'
" by hydration...

It's better if you write the complete reaction, and if possible, the mechanism as well.

a) SO3(-2) + MnO4(-) + H(+) <--> Mn(+2) + SO4(-2) + H2O(l)

From

5e(-) + MnO4(-) + 8H(+) -->Mn(+2) + 4H2O (-I)
and
SO3(-2) + H2O --> SO4(-2) + 2H(+) + 2e(-) (-II)

You have to multiply the equations so that the same number of electrons are involved in both and then add them up

These links should help
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/redox/equations.html"
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/redox/equations2.html#top"
 
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thanx

Thank-you for your help. The website was ver y helpful. These are the two answers I got. I am not sure about the second one, could you check to see if its right.


a) SO3(-2) + MnO4(-) + H(+) <--> Mn(+2) + SO4(-2) + H2O(l)

=5H2O + 5SO3-2 + 2MnO4(-) + 16H+ <-> 8H2O + 2Mn(+2) + 10H+ + 5S-2


b) Cl2(g) + OH(-) <--> Cl(-) + ClO3(-) + H2O(l)

=2Cl + 4OH(-) + 6HOH(-) --> 6H2O + 2Cl(-) + 2ClO(-3) + 2HOH(-)
 

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