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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form 2t²y'' + (y')³ = 2ty', with a focus on finding an integrating factor and exploring the nature of the equation. Participants engage with various methods and approaches, including dimensional analysis and the classification of the equation as a Bernoulli type.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding the integrating factor for the differential equation and presents their transformation of the equation into a form involving M(t,v) and N(t,v).
  • Another participant suggests starting with a dimensional analysis approach to determine the appropriate power of t for v, proposing that this could simplify the problem.
  • A third participant reformulates the equation into a Bernoulli equation and identifies the parameters n, f(x), and g(x) relevant to this classification.
  • A fourth participant discusses the concept of exact equations and notes that the equation presented is not exact, providing the necessary conditions for an equation to be classified as such.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the differential equation, with multiple competing methods and interpretations being presented.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the integrating factor and the conditions for exactness of the differential equation, as well as the implications of dimensional analysis on the solution approach.

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Information from the book:
Use
1. v = y'
2. v' = y''
3. dy/dt = v
to solve the differential equation.

Question: 2t2y'' + (y')3 = 2ty'
I'm stuck at finding the integrating factor (which my book tells me is v-3 in the solutions.)

Using the information above:
2t2v' + (v^3) - 2tv = 0
M(t,v) = v3 - 2tv
N(t,v) = 2t2
Mv = 3v2 - 2t
Nt = 4t
Since these two are not equal, I have to find an integrating factor, but using both:
(1) dμ/dt = [(Mv-Nt)/(N)] * μ
(2) dμ/dv = [(Nt-Mv)/(M)] * μ
both result in a unsolvable equation because I end up with both t's and v's in the equation.
 
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I'm not familiar with this M, N, notation, so I cannot follow your method.
I would start by considering it dimensionally. If v is dimensionally some power n of t, what value of n makes the equation dimensionally consistent? That should suggest a change of variable that simplifies it a bit.
See how you go from there.
 
The equation ##2t^2v'-2tv=-v^3## can be written as ##v'-\frac{v}{t}=-\frac{v^3}{2t^2}## , that is a Bernoulli equation of type:

## y'(x) + f(x)y=g(x)y^{n} ##

here ##n=3, x=t, y=v, f=-\frac{1}{t}, g=-\frac{1}{2t^2}##. To solve it see the link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli_differential_equation
 
The equation 2t^2v'= 2tv- v^3 can e written 2t^2 dv= (2tv- v^3)dt and then 2t^2dv+ (v^3- 2tv)dt. Many textbooks write the "generic" first order differential equation M(x,y)dy+ N(x,y) dx= 0 or, with variables v and t rather than y and x, M(v,t)dv+ N(v,t)dt.
Further, such an equation is "exact" (and so particularly easy to solve) if and only if \frac{\partial M}{\partial x}= \frac{\partial N}{\partial y} or, in terms of v and t, \frac{\partial M}{\partial t}= \frac{\partial N}{\partial v}. That is where Joseph1739 got "M= 2t^2" and "N= 2tv- v^3. Of course, as he pointed out, \frac{\partial M}{\partial t}= 4t\ne 2t- 3v^2= \frac{\partial N}{\partial v} so this is not an exact equation.
 

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