(Ordinary) Differential Equation Trouble

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \( t^{2}y^{\prime} + 2ty - y^{3} = 0 \), which is categorized under ordinary differential equations (ODEs). Participants are exploring methods to approach this problem, particularly focusing on substitution techniques related to Bernoulli equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using substitution methods, specifically letting \( v = \frac{1}{y^{2}} \) and deriving \( v^{\prime} \). There are questions about algebraic manipulations and whether the approach is appropriate for the problem. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their transformations and the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining their algebraic steps and questioning the validity of their derived forms. There is a recognition of potential errors in sign and formulation, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution or method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is from an elementary level ODE course, suggesting that the methods employed should not be overly complex. There is also mention of a LaTeX mistake affecting the clarity of the equations presented.

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Homework Statement



Find the solution of the differential equation by using appropriate method:

t^{2}y^{\prime} + 2ty - y^{3} = 0

Homework Equations



I'm thinking substitution method of a Bernoulli equation: v = y^{1-n}

The Attempt at a Solution


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t^{2}y^{\prime} + 2ty - y^{3} = 0
\implies \frac{t^{2}y^{\prime}}{y^{3}} + \frac{2t}{y^{2}} = 1
Let v = \frac{1}{y^{2}}, then v^{\prime} = -\frac{2y^{\prime}}{y^{3}}

This is where I'm a little lost with respect to the given solution. It tells me that after substituing in v and v^{\prime} I should be getting:
t^{2}v^{\prime} - 2tv = -2
But I get:
-\frac{1}{2}t^{2}v^{\prime} + 2tv =1

Is there some algebra I'm messing up (or flat out not seeing)? Or is this not the best way to approach the problem? This is an elementary level ODE course so it shouldn't require anything too advance.
 
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Morgan Chafe said:

Homework Statement



Find the solution of the differential equation by using appropriate method:

t^{2}y^{\prime} + 2ty - y^{3} = 0

Homework Equations



I'm thinking substitution method of a Bernoulli equation: v = y^{1-n}

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
t^{2}y^{\prime} + 2ty - y^{3} = 0
\implies \frac{t^{2}y^{\prime}}{y^{3}} + \frac{2t}{y^{2}} = 1
Let v = \frac{1}{y^{2}}, then v^{\prime} = -\frac{2y^{\prime}}{y^{3}}

This is where I'm a little lost with respect to the given solution. It tells me that after substituing in v and v^{\prime} I should be getting:
t^{2}v^{\prime} - 2tv = -2
But I get:
-\frac{1}{2}t^{2}v^{\prime} + 2tv =1

Is there some algebra I'm messing up (or flat out not seeing)? Or is this not the best way to approach the problem? This is an elementary level ODE course so it shouldn't require anything too advance.
Your work looks correct. One way to know for sure is to push it through to a solution, then check whether your solution satisfies the original DE.
 
LCKurtz said:
Your work looks correct. One way to know for sure is to push it through to a solution, then check whether your solution satisfies the original DE.

Is this :

v^{\prime} - \frac{4}{t}v = \frac{2}{t^{2}}

Valid? Can I divide through by t^{2} to make it into the form: y^{\prime}(t) + p(t)y(t) = q(t). I still can't seem to get an answer that works if I substitute it back in.
 
Morgan Chafe said:
But I get:
-\frac{1}{2}t^{2}v^{\prime} + 2tv =1
Morgan Chafe said:
Is this :

v^{\prime} - \frac{4}{t}v = \frac{2}{t^{2}}

Valid? Can I divide through by t^{2} to make it into the form: y^{\prime}(t) + p(t)y(t) = q(t). I still can't seem to get an answer that works if I substitute it back in.

Aren't you missing a sign on the right side from what you posted earlier (above)?
 
LCKurtz said:
Aren't you missing a sign on the right side from what you posted earlier (above)?

Oh, that should be a -\frac{2}{t^{2}}. But that was just a LaTeX mistake.
 
Morgan Chafe said:
Oh, that should be a -\frac{2}{t^{2}}. But that was just a LaTeX mistake.
In that case, you need to show the rest of your work before we can help you find what is wrong.
 

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