Equilibrium equations and coefficients

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The discussion revolves around calculating equilibrium constants for chemical reactions, specifically addressing how to use coefficients from balanced equations versus the actual number of moles provided in assignments. Participants explore the implications of these choices in the context of different reactions and the definition of equilibrium constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to use coefficients from the balanced equation or the actual number of moles given in assignments when calculating the equilibrium constant.
  • Another participant asserts that the definition of the equilibrium constant remains valid regardless of the number of moles provided, emphasizing the relationship between species at equilibrium.
  • A participant describes a specific reaction involving hydrogen and carbon dioxide, detailing the amounts at equilibrium and expressing uncertainty about the changes in concentrations of reactants and products.
  • There is a suggestion to write out the expression for the equilibrium constant based on the reaction provided, with a participant confirming the calculations for the amounts of substances at equilibrium.
  • One participant proposes that any volume can be used for calculations, as long as consistency is maintained across all substances involved.
  • Another participant reflects on the algebraic aspect of the equilibrium constant, noting that the volume cancels out when applied uniformly, indicating that the amount of substance is what determines the equilibrium constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to use coefficients or actual moles for calculating equilibrium constants, with some agreeing on the validity of the equilibrium constant definition while others remain uncertain about the implications of their choices. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the changes in concentrations and the application of volumes in calculations, indicating that assumptions about the reaction conditions may not be fully resolved.

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Assignments given to me are drawn up in this manor:

There is 1,34 mol of X, 1,69 mol of Y and 1,95 mol of Z at equilibrium.
Calculate the equilibrium constant for the following reaction: [tex]2X + Y_2 \rightleftharpoons 2XY[/tex]


or sometimes the coefficients are left out in the equilbrium equation.

What I'm trying to say is that the coefficients are never the same as the number of moles given in the assignment.

I want to use

[tex]cC + dD \rightleftharpoons aA + bB[/tex]

[tex]K=\frac{[A]^a <b>^b}{[C]^c[D]^d}</b>[/tex]

Should I use the coefficient in the equation or the exact number of moles from the assignment?
 
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reedy said:
There is 1,34 mol of X, 1,69 mol of Y and 1,95 mol of Z at equilibrium.
Calculate the equilibrium constant for the following reaction: [tex]2X + Y_2 \rightleftharpoons 2XY[/tex]


or sometimes the coefficients are left out in the equilbrium equation.

What I'm trying to say is that the coefficients are never the same as the number of moles given in the assignment.

I want to use

[tex]cC + dD \rightleftharpoons aA + bB[/tex]

[tex]K=\frac{[A]^a <b>^b}{[C]^c[D]^d}</b>[/tex]

Should I use the coefficient in the equation or the exact number of moles from the assignment?


The definition of the equilibrium constant is true regardless of how many moles of X or Y you (or anyone else) are given. Why would you want to change a definition? 2X + Y2 ---> 2XY means that under equilibrium there is a definite realtionship for each of these species.

Start by writing the equlibrium equation for your example.
 
I start with 1 mol H2 and 2 mol CO2.
At one point, 85,5% of the hydrogen turned into water.

They want the eq. constant of the following reaction:
[tex]H_2(g) + CO_2(g) \rightleftharpoons H_2O(g) + CO(g)[/tex]

Code:
________________________________|H2_____|CO2____|H2O______|CO
Amount of substance at start____|1______|2______|0________|0
Change__________________________|-0,855_|-0,855_|+0,855___|+0,855
Amount of substance at eq.______|0,145__|1,145__|0,855____|0,855
Concentration at eq.____________|A______|B______|C________|D
I didn't get my LaTeX table to work here, so I hope this is just as readable.

If 85,5% of the 1 mol of hydrogen will turn into water, we will end up with 14,5% of the original amount; 0,145 mol of hydrogen. The other part of what was once hydrogen, is now water; an increase from 0 to 0,855.

Facing the CO2, I'm not quite sure what happens. I'm guessing since the reaction uses as much H2 as it does CO2 (equivalence?), equal amounts are turned into products. Hence, 0,855 is turned into CO and we end up with 1,145 mol of CO2.

Do correct me if I'm wrong.

To be able to calculate the eq. constant, I need the concentrations at eq.
Now, in a previous problem, I was handling liquids with a given volume. Calculating the concentration was simple.
What do I do here?
 
reedy said:
I start with 1 mol H2 and 2 mol CO2.
At one point, 85,5% of the hydrogen turned into water.

They want the eq. constant of the following reaction:
[tex]H_2(g) + CO_2(g) \rightleftharpoons H_2O(g) + CO(g)[/tex]

Excellent! You are most of the way there! Next, write out the expression for the equilibrium constant (Keq) using the above equation.


reedy said:
If 85,5% of the 1 mol of hydrogen will turn into water, we will end up with 14,5% of the original amount; 0,145 mol of hydrogen. The other part of what was once hydrogen, is now water; an increase from 0 to 0,855.

Correct.

reedy said:
Facing the CO2, I'm not quite sure what happens. I'm guessing since the reaction uses as much H2 as it does CO2 (equivalence?), equal amounts are turned into products. Hence, 0,855 is turned into CO and we end up with 1,145 mol of CO2.

Do correct me if I'm wrong.

No correction required...

reedy said:
To be able to calculate the eq. constant, I need the concentrations at eq... What do I do here?

You can make up any volume you want to. It applies to each of the starting materials/products. Use something convenient... like a liter.
 
You can make up any volume you want to. It applies to each of the starting materials/products. Use something convenient... like a liter.
So as long as I'm consistent, it doesn't matter how much I use?

In that case, I'll go for a liter, as you mentioned. No division needed.

Code:
________________________________|H2_____|CO2____|H2O______|CO
Amount of substance at start____|1______|2______|0________|0
Change__________________________|-0,855_|-0,855_|+0,855___|+0,855
Amount of substance at eq.______|0,145__|1,15___|0,855____|0,855
Concentration at eq.____________|0,145__|1,15___|0,855____|0,855

[tex]K=\frac{[H_2O][CO]}{[H_2][CO_2]}=\frac{0,855*0,855}{0,145*1,15}\approx 4,38[/tex]

And there we go. :smile:
 
Now try it with 23.7 liters and see what you get...
 
I was thinking of the algebra behind it and...


[tex]K=\frac{0,855*1*0,855*1}{0,145*1*1,15*1}[/tex]

[tex]K=\frac{0,855*0,5*0,855*0,5}{0,145*0,5*1,15*0,5}[/tex]

Since you apply the same volume to all the factors, they cancel each other out.

It's the amount of substance that makes the eq. constant.

Thanks CT!
 

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