Equivalence of (P -> R) V (Q -> R) and (P ∧ Q) -> R

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Dysnex
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Equivalence
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the logical equivalence of the expressions (P -> R) V (Q -> R) and (P ∧ Q) -> R. Participants explore the formulation of this equivalence, address potential typographical errors, and discuss the intuitiveness of the expressions involved.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a step-by-step formulation of the equivalence but expresses initial confusion, suggesting a possible alternative interpretation of (P V Q) -> R.
  • Another participant identifies a typographical error in the first post's formulation and suggests that correcting it clarifies the equivalence.
  • A third participant notes that if either P or Q is false, then (P ∧ Q) -> R is always true, paralleling the behavior of (P -> R) V (Q -> R).
  • A fourth participant adds further clarification on the typo and provides additional steps to demonstrate the equivalence, emphasizing the importance of associativity and commutativity in the reasoning process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to correct the typographical error and recognize the logical equivalence, but there is disagreement regarding the initial interpretation of the expressions, particularly the confusion surrounding (P V Q) -> R.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings related to logical expressions and the importance of precise notation in mathematical reasoning. There are unresolved aspects regarding the intuitiveness of the equivalences presented.

Dysnex
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I can see how the equivalence can formulated with

(P -> R) V (Q -> R)
= (¬P V R) V (¬Q V R)
= (¬P ∧ ¬Q) V R
= ¬(P ∧ Q) V R
= (P ∧ Q) -> R
(Sorry, I would've written this in LaTeX if I were more competent.)

although I still it counter-intuitive and, at a glance, first thought it was (P V Q) -> R. I asked someone else and they also arrived at (P V Q) -> R, which seems to contradict(?) the above formulation and the book's answer key. Am I missing something?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You have a typo on the third line: it's supposed to be "(¬P V ¬Q) V R" and then by DeMorgan's rule you get the 4th line ¬(P ∧ Q) V R. Maybe that was bothering you?

As for the intuitiveness of it. Think about when any of (P -> R) V (Q -> R) and (P ∧ Q) -> R are false: only when both P and Q are true but R is false; in both expressions. In all the other cases both expressions are true simultaneously. Maybe if you write truth tables for them it would be easier to see it.
 
Last edited:
If p or q are false the statement (P^Q)-> R will always be true. The same can be said for the statement (P -> R) V (Q -> R). If the first statement in P->Q is false then P ->Q will always be true.
 
tauon is right about the typo. Adding a step or so will reveal why:

Original -

(¬P V R) V (¬Q V R)
= (¬P ∧ ¬Q) V R

New -

(¬P V R) V (¬Q V R)
(¬P V (R V ¬Q) V R) Association
(¬P V (~Q V R) V R) Commutation
(¬P V ~Q) V (R V R) Association
(¬P V ~Q) V (R) Idempotence

The conjunct doesn't even enter into this up to here. Now, go on to DeMorgan etc., as tauon says.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K