How does r∪(-p∩q∩-r) simplify to r∪(-p∩q) ?

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The discussion centers on the simplification of the expression r∪(-p∩q∩-r) to r∪(-p∩q). Participants explore the application of set theory laws and the implications of including or excluding certain elements in the expressions.

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  • One participant questions the simplification process and seeks clarity on how to apply basic laws of set theory to achieve the result.
  • Another participant proposes a structured approach using the associative and distributive laws, demonstrating how the simplification can be achieved step-by-step.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the expression (r ∪ ¬r) can be represented as "T" (true), indicating that any set intersected with "T" remains unchanged, which may differ from other materials' notation.
  • Another participant argues that the second expression includes elements of (-p ∩ q) regardless of their presence in r, while the first expression only adds elements of (-p ∩ q) that are not in r, suggesting a nuanced difference in the two expressions.
  • This participant further breaks down (-p ∩ q) into components to illustrate the relationship between the two expressions, although they acknowledge that there may be more direct methods to demonstrate the simplification.

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How does r∪(-p∩q∩-r) simplify to r∪(-p∩q) ? The second expression is just the first with the "-r" gone at the end. I'm not seeing how to get from the first expression to the second using any of the basic laws like distribution, de morgan, tautology, etc. What am I missing?
 
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Let ##U## be the set of which all these sets r,p,q are subsets, so that ##-r=U-r## and ##U=r\cup -r##.
Then we have:
\begin{align*}
r\cup(-p\cap q\cap -r)
&= r\cup((-p\cap q)\cap -r) \quad\textrm{[associative law]}
\\&=
(r\cup(-p\cap q)) \cap( r\cup-r)
\quad\textrm{[distributive law]}
\\&=
(r\cup(-p\cap q)) \cap U
\quad\textrm{[see preamble above]}
\\&=
r\cup(-p\cap q)
\quad\textrm{[since $U\cap A=A$ for any $A\subseteq A$]}
\end{align*}
 
After you do distribution, you can represent ##(r \cup \neg r)## as "##T##" since its always true. Then ##(A) \cap T## is equivalent to ##(A)##.

Your text materials may use a different technique than the notation "T". They should have some rule equivalent to the effect of using "T".
 
The second expression will include elements of ##(-p \cap q)##, whether they are in r or not. The first expression will only add elements of ##(-p \cap q)## that are not in r, but the others were in r already. So there is no difference.

To mathematically show that, you can break up ##(-p \cap q) = (-p \cap q \cap r) \cup (-p \cap q \cap -r)##.
So $$ r \cup (-p \cap q) = r \cup ((-p \cap q \cap r) \cup (-p \cap q \cap -r)) $$
$$ = (r \cup (-p \cap q \cap r)) \cup (r \cup (-p \cap q \cap -r)) $$
$$ = r \cup (r \cup (-p \cap q \cap -r)) $$
$$ = r \cup (-p \cap q \cap -r) $$
There may be more direct ways to do this, but I don't see any now.
 

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