Equivalence Relation: Examining the Proof

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the examination of a proof regarding equivalence relations, specifically questioning the validity of an argument that claims a symmetric and transitive relation is also reflexive. Participants are tasked with identifying flaws in this argument and providing counterexamples.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the assumption that a is related to anything, questioning the basis of the argument.
  • Another participant suggests that the empty relation R = {} is a valid counterexample, noting that it is symmetric and transitive but not reflexive.
  • A further example is provided where a relation defined on the set A = {a, b, c} includes pairs that are symmetric and transitive but lacks reflexivity, specifically the relation {(b,b), (b,c), (c,b), (c,c)}.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the original proof. Multiple counterexamples are proposed, indicating a disagreement on the interpretation of the properties of equivalence relations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions of reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity, as well as the implications of these properties in the context of equivalence relations.

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Hi,

When I was just walking through the hallway of my department I found an exercise sheet asking the student to examine the following proof.

Assume R\subset M\times M is a binary, symmetric, transitive relation. Then for any a,b \in M with a\sim _R b it follows by symmetry that b\sim _R a and thus by transitivity that a\sim _R a i.e. R is also reflexive and therefore an equivalence relation.


The exercise then asks to find the flaw in this argument (and give a counter example). To me the argument makes perfect sense...I am really ashamed, after all this is for first year students:smile:
Can someone give a hint?
 
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Hi Pere Callahan! :smile:

But why should a ~ anything?
 
Oh, okay. Thanks tiny-tim!

Do you think that R=\{\}\subset\{0\}^2 would be a valid counter example?
 
Pere Callahan said:
Oh, okay. Thanks tiny-tim!

Do you think that R=\{\}\subset\{0\}^2 would be a valid counter example?

Yes, the relation defined by the empty set is trivially symmetric and transitive but not reflexive. Here's a less trivial example: let A= {a, b, c} and "~" be the relation {(b,b), (b,c), (c,b), (c,c)}. That is both symmetric and transitive but not reflexive.
 

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