Error Propagation: Explaining AB Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of error propagation in the context of multiplying two measurements, A and B, each with associated uncertainties. Participants explore the correct method for calculating the error in the product AB and clarify misunderstandings regarding the propagation of errors in this scenario.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the steps in calculating the error for the product AB, specifically questioning how the error appears in the calculation.
  • Another participant challenges the initial calculation, asserting that the method used is incorrect and provides an alternative approach to determine the range of AB based on the ranges of A and B.
  • This participant introduces the concept of using differentials to derive the relative error in the product, suggesting that the relative errors should be summed when multiplying measurements.
  • A later reply presents a general formula for error propagation, indicating a more statistically accurate method for calculating the error of a function involving multiple variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial calculation method. There are competing views on how to properly calculate the error in the product of A and B, with one participant asserting the correctness of their approach while another provides a different perspective.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the initial understanding of error propagation, particularly in the context of multiplication. The assumptions made about the relationships between the measurements and their errors are not fully resolved, and the mathematical steps involved in the proposed methods are not exhaustively detailed.

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Recently I came across an example for working out error propagation, and I'm having trouble following the steps:

A = 100 \pm 1%
B = 10 \pm 1%

AB = (100 \pm 1%).(10 \pm 1%)

=\left\{1000 \pm \left[\left(100.1\%\right) \pm \left(10.1\%\right)\right]\right\} // get confused here, how does this happen?

= 1000 \pm 1.1
= 998.9 - 1001.1
Can somebody please explain to me how the section I marked above appears.

Thank you.
 
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It doesn't happen- what you have is wrong. If A= 100\pm 1\%, so that A lies between 99 and 101, and B= 10\pm 1\%, so that B lies between 9.9 and 10.1, then AB lies between 99*9.9= 980.1 101*10.1= 1020.1. We could write those as 1000\pm (20\mp .1). 100*10= 1000 is not the midpoint of that interval: it is 1000+ 20+.1 and 1000- 20+ .1

We can think of it this way: the differential of AB is d(AB)= A(dB)+ B(dA). Dividing both sides by AB, dAB/(AB)= dA/A+ dB/B. In this problem dA/A= dB/B= .01 so approximately, dAB/AB= 2(.01)= 2%.

This is an example of an old mechanic's "rule of thumb": when two measurements add, the error of their sum is the sum of their errors; when two measurements multiply, the error of their product is the sum of their relative (or percentage) errors.
 
I see.

Thank you very much HallsofIvy. This was bugging me for a long time.
 
There is a general formula to calculate error propagation, which is statistically more accurate:

If you want to calculate the error of a function y=f(x_{1},x_{2},x_{3},...)
With x_{i} being measurements with given errors \delta x_{i}
Then the error of y is given by:

\delta y=\sqrt{\sum_{i=1}^{N}\left| \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_{i}}\delta x_{i}\right|^{2}}


F.e. here y=f(A,B)=AB

f_{A}(A,B)=B; f_{B}(A,B)=A

so \delta (AB)=\sqrt{B^{2}\delta A^{2}+A^{2}\delta B^{2}}
 

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