Escape velocity for Saturn (Introductory Mechanics)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the escape velocity for Saturn, where the radius is 60,300 km and the mass is 570×1024 kg. The correct escape speed is determined to be 35,600 m/s, while the initial speed required for a final speed of 17,500 m/s is 43,200 m/s. Participants express confusion over applying the energy principle correctly, particularly in using the formulas for gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. The key takeaway is the importance of understanding the energy conservation principle in solving such mechanics problems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy concepts
  • Familiarity with the energy conservation principle in mechanics
  • Knowledge of the formula for escape velocity: sqrt(2GM/R)
  • Basic algebra skills for manipulating equations
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  • Review the derivation of the escape velocity formula: sqrt(2GM/R)
  • Practice problems involving gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy
  • Explore the concept of negative gravitational potential energy in depth
  • Investigate the application of energy conservation in various mechanics scenarios
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Students studying introductory mechanics, physics educators, and anyone interested in understanding gravitational forces and escape velocity calculations.

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Homework Statement



The radius of Saturn (from the center to just above the atmosphere) is 60,300 km (60300✕10^3 m), and its mass is 570✕10^24 kg. An object is launched straight up from just above the atmosphere of Saturn.

(a) What initial speed is needed so that when the object is far from Saturn its final speed is 17500 m/s?
My computer's answer is, "43,200 m/s"

(b) What initial speed is needed so that when the object is far from Saturn its final speed is 0 m/s? (This is called the "escape speed.")
My computer's answer is, "35,600 m/s"[/B]

Homework Equations


Energy principle

The Attempt at a Solution



For a), I get 7,747.58, which doesn't match either problem. I'm not getting b) right either.

This is a practice version of the problem, and I keep thinking I'm going about the right process for solving it, but I don't get the same answers they do, so I can't be. I've tried different variations on the energy principle:

PE (initial) - UE (initial) = PE (final) - PE (initial)

The mass of the object cancels across the equation if kinetic energy is (1/2)mv2 and potential energy is (6.7x10-11*Mm)/(r)

I thought that the way to get escape speed was sqrt(2GM/R) or sqrt((2GM/R)+vi), but that is not working for me either. I'd really like to learn how to do these problems. I have four other similar ones that I think I'm supposed to use this same principle for, but my answers are continually wrong when I do the practice versions.
 
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How did you get the numerical value for the speed? Did you take into account that the gravitational potential energy is negative?
 

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