Essential Laws for Understanding Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the foundational mathematics and physics concepts necessary for understanding quantum mechanics. Participants explore various topics including classical physics, mathematical methods, and the relationship between quantum mechanics and special relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a solid understanding of classical physics (Mechanics, Electromagnetism, and Thermodynamics) is essential to contextualize quantum mechanics.
  • Mathematical methods suggested include Calculus, Vector Analysis, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations, with an emphasis on Linear Algebra as particularly relevant to quantum mechanics.
  • One participant mentions the importance of Probability Theory as a foundational element for quantum mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion to learn classical theoretical mechanics (Lagrange and Hamilton formulations) and the basics of special relativity alongside quantum mechanics.
  • A participant raises a concern about potential confusion when learning special relativity and quantum mechanics simultaneously, referencing Brian Greene's assertion about their conflict.
  • Another participant counters that the conflict is primarily between quantum mechanics and general relativity, asserting that learning both special relativity and quantum mechanics in parallel is feasible if approached separately at first.
  • Questions arise regarding the understanding of tensors and matrices, indicating varying levels of mathematical background among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and order of learning classical physics and special relativity in relation to quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the best approach to integrating these topics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that understanding certain mathematical concepts, such as tensors and matrices, may be prerequisites for grasping quantum mechanics, highlighting the varying levels of prior knowledge among contributors.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals preparing to study quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in the necessary mathematical and physical foundations, as well as the interplay between classical and quantum theories.

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Okay... I've spent a week stumbling through this site, asking random questions, and generally annoying people. Here it is:

What are the basic maths and physics laws someone should know before tackling quantum mechanics?
 
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imho, one should know classical physics (Mechanics, Electromagnetism and Thermodynamics) to put things into perspective (that is, why does one need to know QM?) and the associated mathematical methods these branches require (Calculus, Vector Analysis, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations...). Most QM books teach the required mathematics as you move along.
 
JDude13 said:
Okay... I've spent a week stumbling through this site, asking random questions, and generally annoying people.

You'd annoy people less if you were less arrogant and accept the answers as a service done for you for which you'd be grateful even if you don't agree with them. Those answering you spend their time for _you_!

The way you currently answer doesn't make people inclined to give you further (and useful) answers.
 
A. Neumaier said:
You'd annoy people less if you were less arrogant and accept the answers as a service done for you for which you'd be grateful even if you don't agree with them. Those answering you spend their time for _you_!

The way you currently answer doesn't make people inclined to give you further (and useful) answers.

C'mon, man... Gimme a break... I'm making an effort to better myself.
 
JDude13 said:
C'mon, man... Gimme a break... I'm making an effort to better myself.

Good!

JDude13 said:
What are the basic maths and physics laws someone should know before tackling quantum mechanics?

Most important are:

Math:
1. Linear algebra (thoroughly; most of quantum mechanics is essentially linear algebra in infinite-dimensional spaces)
2. Calculus (up to partial derivatives)
3. Probability theory (basics)

Physics:
Classical theoretical mechanics (Lagrange and Hamilton formulation)
Special relativity (basics)
Thermodynamics (but this can come a bit later)

Learn all that in parallel to trying to understand the topics that really interest you.

You can find relevant background information in chapters C4 (nontechnical, with links) and A1 (slightly more demanding) of my theoretical physics FAQ at http://arnold-neumaier.at/physfaq/physics-faq.html
Things you don't understand in A1 will show you where you need prior practice.
 
A. Neumaier said:
Special relativity (basics)

purely out of curiosity:
according to brian greene, quantum mechanics and special relativity conflict each other... Will i get confused if i try to learn it alongside quantum mechanics?
(i have a very basic knowledge of special relativity... Tensors escape me...)
 
JDude13 said:
according to brian greene, quantum mechanics and special relativity conflict each other... Will i get confused if i try to learn it alongside quantum mechanics?

Only quantum mechanics and _general_ relativity seem to conflict. The marriage of quantum mechanics and special relativity is called relativistic quantum field theory and is mostly happy, with troubles about mathematical rigor in the 4D case kept in the underground.

You won't get confused by learning quantum mechanics and special relativity in parallel, if you wait with bringing the two together until you have a reasonable understanding of both separately.

You need some understanding of both in order to get what elementary particles are (namely irreducible unitary representations of the Poincare group).


JDude13 said:
(i have a very basic knowledge of special relativity... Tensors escape me...)

Do you understand matrices and their multiplication?
 

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