Esters' high boiling point

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The discussion centers around the boiling points of 3-methylbutyl ethanoate, 3-methylbutan-1-ol, and ethanoic acid, exploring the factors influencing these boiling points, particularly focusing on intermolecular forces and molar mass. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and comparative analysis of various compounds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the higher boiling point of 3-methylbutyl ethanoate could be attributed to its greater molar mass, though this is questioned in relation to intermolecular forces.
  • Others argue that while intermolecular forces are stronger in alcohols and carboxylic acids, the boiling point of the ester still appears higher, leading to confusion about the role of these forces.
  • One participant notes that intermolecular forces do not solely depend on hydrogen bonding capabilities.
  • A later reply indicates that the higher density of the ester may also contribute to its higher boiling point, alongside induced dipole-induced dipole forces.
  • Another participant provides comparative boiling points of various compounds with six heavy atoms, highlighting the differences in boiling points across different functional groups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the factors contributing to the boiling point differences, with no consensus reached on the primary reasons behind the observed boiling points of the compounds discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on how various intermolecular forces quantitatively compare and the dependence on specific definitions of boiling point and molecular interactions.

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You have to show your attempts at answering the question, this is a forum policy. Also, all homework like questions should go to homework forum.
Why does 3-methylbutyl ethanoate have a higher boiling point than 3-methylbutan-1-ol and ethanoic acid?

Attempt at a solution: I know that the ester has a marginally greater molar mass but I wasn't sure if this is the only deciding factor, particularly considering the strength of the other interaction forces between alcohol and carboxylic acid molecules.
 
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I can't give you the exact answer because of the rules but I can tell you this...it has something to do with intermolecular forces of attraction and this link may help you.
 
Zypheros_Knight said:
I can't give you the exact answer because of the rules but I can tell you this...it has something to do with intermolecular forces of attraction and this link may help you.
I understand that intermolecular forces of attraction are stronger in alcohol and carboxylic acid but it doesn't make sense then that the ester would have a higher boiling point?
 
Shyanne said:
I understand that intermolecular forces of attraction are stronger in alcohol and carboxylic acid but it doesn't make sense then that the ester would have a higher boiling point?
The intermolecular forces do not depend entirely on the ability of a molecule to make hydrogen bonds.
 
Zypheros_Knight said:
The intermolecular forces do not depend entirely on the ability of a molecule to make hydrogen bonds.
So would I be correct in saying that the ester's boiling point is slightly higher due to its larger molar mass?
 
Shyanne said:
So would I be correct in saying that the ester's boiling point is slightly higher due to its larger molar mass?
Yes :)...and remember this 3-methylbutyl ethanoate has a higher density than both ethanoic acid and 3-methylbutyl-1-ol, thus it is easy to say it will have a higher b.p cause of that and beacuse the induced dipole-induced dipole forces are greater.
 
Hm... let´s compare various simple compounds with 6 heavy atoms.
Hexane, C6H14: n-hexane 69 degrees, isomers less, down to neohexane, 50 degrees.
Pentanols, C5OH12: 1-pentanol 138 degrees, isomers less, down to tertiary pentanol, 102 degrees.
Ethers C5OH12: methyl tert-buthyl ether 55 degrees
Aldehydes C5OH10: n-pentanal 102 degrees
Ketones C5OH10: 2-pentanone 102 degrees, 3-methyl-2-butanone 92 degrees, 3-pentanone 101 degrees
Acids C4O2H8: n-butyric acid 164 degrees, isobutyric acid 155 degrees
Esters C4O2H8: ethyl acetate 77 degrees
 

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