Estimate the integral of g over the cube

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The discussion revolves around estimating the integral of the function \( g = xyz \) over a cube located in the first half-quadrant, specifically bounded by the planes \( x=1, y=1, z=1 \). Participants explore the appropriate method for integration, whether to consider surface or volume integrals, and the implications of their choices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula for surface integrals and questions if \( z(x,y) \) should be set to 1, leading to the simplification of the integral.
  • Another participant confirms that integration should be performed over all six sides of the cube, noting that three sides will yield zero contributions.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the integration of the function over the surface rather than the volume of the cube.
  • A participant mentions the need for a triple integral to compute the volume of the cube, indicating a potential connection to Gauss's theorem.
  • Further clarification is provided on the evaluation of the triple integral as a product of separate integrals over each variable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to integrate over the surface of the cube, but there is some uncertainty regarding the treatment of the sides that contribute zero. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using surface versus volume integrals.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the assumptions made about the integration limits and the definitions of the surfaces involved. The discussion does not resolve whether the setup is specifically for Gauss's theorem.

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Hey! :o

I have the following exercise:
Integrate the $g=xyz$ over the cube that is on the first half-quadrant and it is bounded from the levels $x=1, y=1, z=1$.

Having the following formula:
$ \int \int_A{g(x,y,z)dS}= \int \int_D {g(x,y,z(x,y)) \sqrt{1+z_x^2+z_y^2}dxdy}$

do I have to take $z(x,y)=1$?
Then the integral is $ \int \int_A{xyzdS}= \int \int_D {xy \sqrt{1}dxdy}=\int \int_D {xy dxdy}$

Since the cube is on the first half-quadrant, $x \geq 0, y \geq 0$

So $ \int \int_A{xyzdS}= \int_0^1 \int_0^1 {xydxdy}=\frac{1}{4}$.

Do I have to do that also for taking $x(y,z)=1$ and then $y(x,z)=1$, and then add the results?
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I have the following exercise:
Integrate the $g=xyz$ over the cube that is on the first half-quadrant and it is bounded from the levels $x=1, y=1, z=1$.

Having the following formula:
$ \int \int_A{g(x,y,z)dS}= \int \int_D {g(x,y,z(x,y)) \sqrt{1+z_x^2+z_y^2}dxdy}$

do I have to take $z(x,y)=1$?
Then the integral is $ \int \int_A{xyzdS}= \int \int_D {xy \sqrt{1}dxdy}=\int \int_D {xy dxdy}$

Since the cube is on the first half-quadrant, $x \geq 0, y \geq 0$

So $ \int \int_A{xyzdS}= \int_0^1 \int_0^1 {xydxdy}=\frac{1}{4}$.

Do I have to do that also for taking $x(y,z)=1$ and then $y(x,z)=1$, and then add the results?

Hai!

Yep, yep, and yep.

Actually, you need to integrate over all 6 sides of the cube, but lucky for you, 3 of those sides will integrate 0 resulting in 0 so you can ignore them. :rolleyes:
 
I like Serena said:
Hai!

Yep, yep, and yep.

Actually, you need to integrate over all 6 sides of the cube, but lucky for you, 3 of those sides will integrate 0 resulting in 0 so you can ignore them. :rolleyes:

To integrate over the 3 slides resulting in 0 do we take $x(y,z)=y(x,z)=z(x,y)=0$?
 
mathmari said:
To integrate over the 3 slides resulting in 0 do we take $x(y,z)=y(x,z)=z(x,y)=0$?

Yep.
Btw, I am assuming you're supposed to integrate over the surface of the cube as opposed to the volume of the cube.
 
I like Serena said:
Yep.
Btw, I am assuming you're supposed to integrate over the surface of the cube as opposed to the volume of the cube.

By the way I solved it did I calculate the volume of the cube?
 
mathmari said:
By the way I solved it did I calculate the volume of the cube?

Nope. You integrated over the surface.
To integrate over the volume of the cube, you would need a triple integral:
$$\int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1 xyz\ dx dy dz$$

Edit: I'm just wondering if this is a setup for Gauss's theorem.
 
I like Serena said:
Nope. You integrated over the surface.
To integrate over the volume of the cube, you would need a triple integral:
$$\int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1 xyz\ dx dy dz$$

Edit: I'm just wondering if this is a setup for Gauss's theorem.

Aha! Ok!
Thank you for your answer! :o
 
And, of course,
\int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1 xyz dxdydz= \int_0^1 xdx\int_0^1 ydy\int_0^1 zdz
 
HallsofIvy said:
And, of course,
\int_0^1\int_0^1\int_0^1 xyz dxdydz= \int_0^1 xdx\int_0^1 ydy\int_0^1 zdz

Ok! Thanks a lot! :o
 

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