Estimate the mass of the Coma cluster

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The discussion revolves around estimating the mass of the Coma cluster of galaxies using the virial theorem, specifically applying an isothermal sphere model for mass distribution. The problem involves a radial velocity dispersion and a specified radius, prompting participants to explore the implications of these parameters.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the virial theorem and the relevant formula for mass estimation. Questions arise regarding the definitions and values of parameters B and n in the context of an isothermal sphere. There is also exploration of the assumptions made in the derivation of the formula.

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The discussion is active with participants sharing their understanding of the virial theorem and its application. Some have provided calculations and interpretations, while others seek clarification on specific terms and assumptions. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered regarding the application of the formula and the implications of different density models.

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Participants note the assumptions of isotropic motion and identical galaxies, as well as the implications of using different density profiles for mass estimation. There is mention of homework constraints and the need to adhere to class-derived formulas.

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Homework Statement


Use the results we derived in class based on the virial theorem to estimate the mass of
the Coma cluster of galaxies, which has a radial velocity dispersion of o = 977 km s1
and a radius R = 3 Mpc. You can assume an isothermal sphere model for the mass
distribution and that the measured radial velocity dispersion is based on isotropic
orbits of identical galaxies.


Homework Equations


M=3B/n (Ro2/G


The Attempt at a Solution


I found this formula in my notes said it was the virial mass estimate so would i just plug in what i have into this? Seems too easy that's why I am asking if i have to do something else.
B and n would equal to 1 because its a isothermal sphere
 
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The answer should be very simple... this is not how I would have done it however.
What are B and n?

I would just use the virial theorem... what does the virial theorem state?
 
Hey in the class notes they did use virial theorem and than sub potential and kinetic to get that formula i said idk what B and N are didnt fully read the notes but said when its a isothermal sphere that b=n=1
 
Okay, well in general the virial theorem let's you relate the time average kinetic energy to the potential energy. For the case of gravity it says that:
<br /> &lt;T&gt; = -\frac{1}{2} &lt;U&gt;<br />
So if you plug in equations for kinetic and potential energies... what do you get?
 
well you get 3Bmo-nGM2/R=0
Was told that kinetic energy is 3/2BMo2
"We have made two assumptions: the motion is isotropic, and the stars are identical. Dropping
those assumptions... where B is a dimensionless factor of order unity (e.g., b = 1 if we are considering isotropic orbits of identical particles).
then potentail is -n(GM2 /R)
where n is a dimensionless factor of order unity that depends on the density profile (e.g.,
n = 1 for an isothermal sphere, and n = 3/5 for a constant density sphere)

So from 3Bmo-nGM2/R=0 just solve for M and you get 1/m=nG/3o2RB
than just flip it to gte m=3BRo2/nG
 
got the mass as 1.997e15 solar mass which seems right it also asks about .."if you used a constant density model" If the mass will increase or what looking in the note found that ... n = 3/5 for a constant density sphere so i am guess just replace the 1 with 3/5 in the formula i got before right? or is there something more?
 
This isn't quite the virial theorem I'm used to... but it sounds like you're doing it exactly right---based on the prescription you've been given. The answer shouldn't be any more complicated.
 
kk thxs for the help
 

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