Estimating Air Mass Inside Hot Air Balloon

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The discussion focuses on estimating the average temperature and mass of air inside a hot air balloon with a total mass of 500 kg for the unfilled balloon and payload. The estimated volume of the balloon is 2800 m³, leading to a temperature estimation of 370 Kelvin. The mass of one molecule of air is calculated to be 29.00 g/mol. The participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature using the ideal gas law, specifically the equation PV = NkT, while addressing the challenges of calculating buoyant force without knowing the mass of the air inside the balloon.

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Homework Statement



Estimate the average temperature of the air inside a hot air balloon. Assume that the total mass of the unfilled balloon and payload is 500kg. what is the mass of the air inside the balloon?

No volume or radius is given, so I estimated V = 2800 m^3 & r = 8.75 m
estimate T = 370 Kelvin
mass of 1 molecule of air calculated to be 29.00 g/mol


Homework Equations



PV = NkT
m{air} = # of molecules[N] * mass of 1 molecule {m}
P = mass/volume


The Attempt at a Solution



PV = NkT ---> N = PV/kT

m{air} = (PV/kT)*m

I don't know how to find pressure w/o knowing the mass of air inside the balloon. P = F/A (surface area calculation is trivial so I'm not going to do it here). I assume F is the buoyant force?

In equilibrium, Fbuoy = Fgrav, so: Fbuoy = (m{air} + m{payload})* g

but it looks like I need m{air} to find Fbuoy. What do?
 
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What is the buoyant force that is required? Write the equation relating balloon volume and mass of the balloon + hot air and the mass of the displaced air (relate the densities of the hot air and displaced air to temperature using the ideal gas law). Hint: the pressure is the same inside as outside the balloon so: nRT/V is the same inside and outside. How is this related to density?

AM
 

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