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  1. Aug 19, 2011 #1
    First we had the Muslim outreach:

    "to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering." BHO http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/07/nasas_muslim_outreach_106214.html

    Now we have:

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/

    I decided to read their paper to see if it could justifiably be called science or of possible value to the NASA program (whatever is left of it). http://sethbaum.com/ac/2011_ET-Scenarios.pdf.

    My opinion: Heavily footnoted, mostly common sense, high school level reasoning. I almost puked when I read references to the "Gaia Liberation Front" and the "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" as having any relavance to the topic under study.

    The possibility that the aliens are angels who are here to rapture true believers before Armaggedon would be as likely a scenario as the global warming possibility. But that would not fit the propaganda purpose of this study.

    I can hardly wait until we hear about some partisan school teacher filling little Johnny's head with visions of Aliens exterminating us unless he lives a "green" life.

    We are witnessing the politicization of NASA. It is disgusting.

    Skippy
     
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  3. Aug 19, 2011 #2

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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    Dang, I JUST read something somewhere talking about this. Apparently NASA did not fund this study.
     
  4. Aug 19, 2011 #3

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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    This has nothing to do with NASA.

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4462

    It's not peer reviewed, it's not affiliated with NASA, in other words, it's nothing but someone's idle speculation, and not something we would allow here in the science forums, but I'll allow it for now as nonsense suitable for GD. Two are students at Penn and the third has finished grad school as far as I can tell.
     
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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    Wait, that paper actually got published on the ArXiV???? What?? :cry:
     
  6. Aug 19, 2011 #5

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    Considering everything and anything can be published on the arxiv, it's not too surprising.

    BAI MICRO!!!
     
  7. Aug 19, 2011 #6

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    Not everything can be published on ArXiV. You need to have an approval to publish there. It's hard to see how they would get this approval. I mean, I'm reading their paper and their main sources are movies like independence day :cry:
     
  8. Aug 19, 2011 #7

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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    Buwahaha.

    Maybe it's intended as a prank to embarrass these people. I wonder if they know about this?
     
  9. Aug 19, 2011 #8
    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    The article I quoted:
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...-to-end-global-warming-nasa-scientist-claims/

    stated "The thought-provoking scenario is one of many envisaged in a joint study by Penn State and the NASA Planetary Science Division, entitled "Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis."

    I have no other information on the funding. I will be happy if NASA was not involved and I hope the conclusion of my original post isn't true i.e. the politicization of NASA.

    Skippy
     
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  10. Aug 19, 2011 #9

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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    Oh,
    Nothing to link this to being endorsed by NASA, check out where NASA is mentioned on the arXiV paper, it's where he is working at the moment as a post-doc.

    There you go Faux News got it wrong.

    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/08/19/2883552/penn-staters-paper-on-potential.html [Broken]
     
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  11. Aug 19, 2011 #10

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    So that's what postdocs at NASA do with their time?? Nice... I think a NASA postdoc might be something for me then.
     
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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    No. Way. :eek:
     
  14. Aug 19, 2011 #13

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    Re: What are they smoking at NASA?

    Who approves it?
     
  15. Aug 19, 2011 #14

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    See this:

    http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement
     
  16. Aug 19, 2011 #15

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    Ah yah, endorsers. They're usually the person who is authoring the paper I thought. Except when it's like a new graduate student who needs a higher up (their adviser for example) to get them in. Whatever. I've lost interest.
     
  17. Aug 19, 2011 #16

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    This is why papers in ArxiV are not acceptable sources here. And that *journal* they claim is not recognized either.
     
  18. Aug 19, 2011 #17
    I believe arXiv is just a service operated by one university:

    http://arxiv.org/

    I only use IEEE if I require.
     
  19. Aug 19, 2011 #18

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    Yup but it's pretty much the biggest pre-print server used in physics :)
     
  20. Aug 19, 2011 #19

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    The point is that it's not peer-reviewed and there is a lot of nonsense and garbage on there. Be aware that being uploaded there does not give it credibility. We really do not accept papers from arXiv as sources unless they have also been published in a *recognized* journal and cited (preferably). We just found out that Thompson Reuters master journal list now contians pop science magazines, so even that is no longer a trusted list. :eek:

    It seems pop science is now acceptable, what next, History Channel programs?
     
  21. Aug 20, 2011 #20

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    Sad to say, Acta Astronautica is a recognized journal. It's on the Thomson Reuters list, and it is the flagship journal of the International Academy of Astronautics: http://iaaweb.org/content/view/261/398/.
     
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