Ethics of Immigration Restriction

[NIT14]

Then you make the analogy that all sane people are also blind.
The USA is multicultural and was when it was a diversified culture of different Indian tribes. Early America was multicultural, composed of Indian, Spanish, English, French, German, Irish,Italian, Dutch ect ect. Today the immigration is from other countries and still is multicultural, it has new and differnt cultures that is the only difference.

America may have been multiCULTURAL since the beginning, but it has certainly not been multiRACIAL. There's actually a profound difference there. When one hears "multicultural," he usually is comprehending "multiracial." This is not always the case. In early America, being White was a prerequisite for citizenship. Sure, there were Indians here still, but we did not mix with them, or allow them citizenship. Racial differences most definitely outweigh cultural differences. Not to mention that with a different ethnic group usually comes an entirely different culture. Racial culture is certainly much different than only regional culture.

Diversity is what makes America special.

What exactly is so special about it? It brings crime, poverty, moral decay, and friction to our society. Life was certainly more orderly in the 1950s when our nation was over 90% White.

sorry, if you guys believe that the minorities and immigration are the cause of your problems then there is little to say.

They aren't necessarily the cause of our problems, but they certainly have more of a malicious effect on our nation and culture than a benevolent, or "progressive" one.

as long as you believe that minorities are the cause of violence and crime you will never feel safe. again, i only ask that you examine the basis for these beliefs.

Haha. So are you suggesting that if I just sit here and pretend that they aren't the primary cause, the crime will magically vanish? Do you think my notions are based on some white supremacist dogma? No. Statistics clearly map out crime by race. Not only do statistics conclude that minorities aren't always the "good" people you make them out to be, my personal experiences have only reinforced this irrefragable fact. I don't care what you believe the crime is a product of, it is going to continue to exist until you take off your PC blindfold and open your eyes.

90% of the crack addicts are white middle class americans.

Well, I'm not sure about the accuracy of this statement, but let's assume it is true...

Consider that Whites are over 70% of the US population. Consider that blacks are a mere 12% of the US population. Now, keep in mind that there is a higher percentage of crack addicts within the black race than there are White crack addicts within the White race. So with all of this being said, we can probably conclude that if the black race comprised 70% of the population and Whites were the 12%, there would be a significantly higher number of crack addicts in this country.

laws and regulations will not solve society's ills. you can not legislate intelligent behaviour. nor can you make any community safe by passing laws. you are as safe as you believe you are.

This is ridiculous. So basically, you're saying that the level of crime is constant, regardless of the law? The higher the consequence, the lower the frequency of the crime. That is common sense. If we executed those who committed rape, or sexual assault(something we should do), there would be a hell of a lot less offenders.

 

[Rader]

Originally posted by NIT14
America may have been multiCULTURAL since the beginning, but it has certainly not been multiRACIAL. There's actually a profound difference there. When one hears "multicultural," he usually is comprehending "multiracial." This is not always the case. In early America, being White was a prerequisite for citizenship. Sure, there were Indians here still, but we did not mix with them, or allow them citizenship. Racial differences most definitely outweigh cultural differences. Not to mention that with a different ethnic group usually comes an entirely different culture. Racial culture is certainly much different than only regional culture.

Multicultural Of, relating to, or including several cultures. In early America, being White was a prerequisite for citizenship, Yes this is called racism and it is morally illegal, today as it was then. Today all men are created equal, that is why a constitution was drawn to express that, and amendments over the years to express the wisdom, that man has learned since 1776.
Conquerers have been replaced with democracy. Racist ideas with wisdom of equality for all men.

What exactly is so special about it? It brings crime, poverty, moral decay, and friction to our society. Life was certainly more orderly in the 1950s when our nation was over 90% White.

Its special, because mostly you and your attitude have become extinct like the dinosaurs. Its special cause any man or women, of any race has the same oportunity, as you and I do, to all the good things in life, if they want to achieve them. Unfortunately, there still is countries in the world, where this is not so.

They aren't necessarily the cause of our problems, but they certainly have more of a malicious effect on our nation and culture than a benevolent, or "progressive" one.

Maybe we should take a vote on the thread. Wather you believe it or not, the attractor patterns from your malicious mind, is what keeps back human consciousness from eliminating evil.

Haha. So are you suggesting that if I just sit here and pretend that they aren't the primary cause, the crime will magically vanish? Do you think my notions are based on some white supremacist dogma? No. Statistics clearly map out crime by race. Not only do statistics conclude that minorities aren't always the "good" people you make them out to be, my personal experiences have only reinforced this irrefragable fact. I don't care what you believe the crime is a product of, it is going to continue to exist until you take off your PC blindfold and open your eyes.

No what i am suggesting is that if you raise your human consciousness, one level above what ever you encounter, what you think, say or do, you will help to change things for the better not worse.

Well, I'm not sure about the accuracy of this statement, but let's assume it is true...

While i did not make the statement, i will answer anyway. Not only do middlclass but i would say upperclass purchase the majority of the cocaine consumed. They do not belong to the class of people you attribute the problems to. If there was no buyer there is no seller. So blame yourself, unless your a poor immigrant.

Consider that Whites are over 70% of the US population. Consider that blacks are a mere 12% of the US population. Now, keep in mind that there is a higher percentage of crack addicts within the black race than there are White crack addicts within the White race. So with all of this being said, we can probably conclude that if the black race comprised 70% of the population and Whites were the 12%, there would be a significantly higher number of crack addicts in this country.

So now you want to pick on the Blacks, what happened to the Hispanics. I thought they were the problem. Hispanics are the major movement of immigration. You obiously are blided by your racist ideas.

This is ridiculous. So basically, you're saying that the level of crime is constant, regardless of the law? The higher the consequence, the lower the frequency of the crime. That is common sense. If we executed those who committed rape, or sexual assault(something we should do), there would be a hell of a lot less offenders.

I did not write this either but do agree with it. What it means, to me, is look at yourself in the mirror.

Your attitude is what holds mankind back from advancing. This is my last post on this disgusting thread.

 

[NIT14]

Multicultural Of, relating to, or including several cultures. In early America, being White was a prerequisite for citizenship, Yes this is called racism and it is morally illegal, today as it was then. Today all men are created equal, that is why a constitution was drawn to express that, and amendments over the years to express the wisdom, that man has learned since 1776.
Conquerers have been replaced with democracy. Racist ideas with wisdom of equality for all men.

Morally illegal? I'm sorry, but there is no such thing. Morality cannot be defined. It is not absolute. All men are not created equal. This is an obvious fact of nature. Each and every man is different in his own way. Equality is non-existent. The only equality that exists is equality in opportunity, and there is nothing wrong with that. In the beginning, the constitution had nothing to do with "diversity" or giving non-Whites "equal rights," or should I say special privileges.

Its special, because mostly you and your attitude have become extinct like the dinosaurs. Its special cause any man or women, of any race has the same oportunity, as you and I do, to all the good things in life, if they want to achieve them. Unfortunately, there still is countries in the world, where this is not so.

I'm very sorry to break it to you, but my ideas and my "attitude" are far from "extinct." Political correctness just happens to restrain them. Some of us don't care though. I never said there was anything wrong with equality in opportunity. I will tell you what is wrong though. Affirmative action is wrong. Uncontrolled immigration is wrong. Equal opportunity doesn't exist for WHITES today, if you haven't noticed. When it comes to college, or jobs, minorities almost always have the advantage when it comes to getting accepted or hired only because they aren't White. Tell me that's not wrong and you will be a hypocrite.

No what i am suggesting is that if you raise your human consciousness, one level above what ever you encounter, what you think, say or do, you will help to change things for the better not worse.

I don't think raising my "human consciousness" is going to magically make the local Mestizo gangs dissapear, or render them harmless for that matter. The threat exists whether you want to see it that way or not.

So now you want to pick on the Blacks, what happened to the Hispanics. I thought they were the problem. Hispanics are the major movement of immigration. You obiously are blided by your racist ideas.

Pick on them? Oh, that must be the new politically correct term for legitimately criticizing the black race. But, the Mestizo invasion is a much larger problem, yes. My "racist" ideas, eh? What is so "racist" about them, exactly? I'm only pointing out the realities of "diversity" and immigration.

 

[the_truth]

Despite the fact that seems to have nothing to do with the philosophy of science, it does elaborate mildly on abstract philosophy, which is correlated with scientific method..

Most people with non-bigotted anti-immigration sentiments are from Europe. Compared to the arable ancestral homelands of other cultures and dare I say races, Europe is relatively dilute and most europeans wish to maintain the low density of europe for the far future and to maintain their way of life.

As for bigotted anti-immigration sentiments, they are based purely on the merits of their ideas. Frankly, for a nation with lots of space and no real cultural reason to limit population growth, the only reason to prevent immigration would be to ensure that the nation's parts preserve it's sum.

 

[NIT14]

Most people with non-bigotted anti-immigration sentiments are from Europe. Compared to the arable ancestral homelands of other cultures and dare I say races, Europe is relatively dilute and most europeans wish to maintain the low density of europe for the far future and to maintain their way of life.

Maintaining our way of life is what opposition to immigration is all about. Whether you want to categorize it as "bigoted" or not, it is the same motive. All we desire is the preservation of our culture and people.

 

[rody084]

why does the US keep on *****ing about how mexicans are crossin into the US border and being all over california... when its the US who crossed into theirs!

 

[Dissident Dan]

rody makes a good point. California, Nevada, Texas, etc., even parts of Wyoming, I think, used to be under Spanish rule, so Anglos took that land from them.

Many of the anti-immigration sentiments expressed here rely on "might makes right" philosophy, which means that whatever happens is ok, because people had the might to make it happen, so you therefore cannot complain about what happens.

 

[NIT14]

why does the US keep on *****ing about how mexicans are crossin into the US border and being all over california... when its the US who crossed into theirs!

Before the Europeans arrived, I don't think a border even existed. There were only primitive tribes, not nearly as advanced as the European man. There's a big differece in occupying a land, and establishing a country. Europeans came to America and easily conquered it. They established and built a great country. Mestizos certainly did not build this country into what it is today.

California, Nevada, Texas, etc., even parts of Wyoming, I think, used to be under Spanish rule, so Anglos took that land from them.

Spanish and Mexican are two completely different things.

 

[ray b]

yes we took the land from mexico
but that doesnot mean we have to let them or anyone else take it back by illegal imigration today

I have no real problem with people who want to become american, only with what has happened to my home town, the first victom of the reconquesta,. the big problem is with people who are here but want to impose a 3rd world value system and culture just like they had at home and don't want to become americans I simply don't want to live in a 3rd world city were english is not nessiary and american values are passie
and the standard of living and wages are falling fast
block voting for corrupt leadership has resulted in nazi-cops who break more laws then they inforce

like superman I support truth justice and THE AMERICAN WAY and think all who DONOT should be deported

btw mexicans are not the problem in miami

 

[olde drunk]

what the hell is SOOO damn precious about the american way?? do we have a corner on class and culture?

i love the opportunities afforded here, but the american way sucks. we put more value on a 2nd home, car, tv etc, etc then we do on our neighbor's well being. now, please do not tell me i am wrong. i have seen this 'american effect' in process for too many years. our old neighborhoods (caring for our friends and relatives)are gone.

hell, we even pack our parents and grand parents off to boarding homes because we can afford to pay someone else to "care'.

three cheers for the american way! we lost the american way a couple of decades ago when possessions, power and wealth became more important than 'being real'.

i ain't got nuttin, and i am takin it ALL with me, haha,

 

[NIT14]

what the hell is SOOO damn precious about the american way?? do we have a corner on class and culture?

Perhaps you should move to Mexico. You obviously don't appreciate America for what it is, and you certainly seem to have no respect for the people who established and built this country. If you think that our "stealing" of this land was so bad, move to Mexico. You will quickly come back a new person.

i love the opportunities afforded here, but the american way sucks. we put more value on a 2nd home, car, tv etc, etc then we do on our neighbor's well being. now, please do not tell me i am wrong. i have seen this 'american effect' in process for too many years. our old neighborhoods (caring for our friends and relatives)are gone.

You're right, and you're also hypocritically wrong. We have lost much of our sense of respect and responsibility, but this has nothing to do with not being "nice" and "ethical" by notletting Mestizos come to contribute to the rotting of our country. It's not so much an economic rot as it is a general rotting of the quality of American life. The problem is that our people have become too materialistic. Many don't care about anything that isn't between their TVs and the shopping mall.

But you sit there and preach about the welfare of your "neighbors" and family, when at the same time you are inciting and condoning the destruction of their country and quality of life. It has nothing to do with material value.

we lost the american way a couple of decades ago when possessions, power and wealth became more important than 'being real'.

We lost the American way long ago when we put material gain over the well being of our people. When we allowed immigration from 3rd world, non-White nations, when our politicians became corrupt, when a parasitical, alien being took power, when integration was forced upon us, and when we have become so feminized that we no longer know the meaning of hard work and true patriotism.