Euler- Lagrange equation proof

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The discussion centers on the Euler-Lagrange equation proof and the differentiation of the function F. A participant questions the necessity of writing out the total derivative expression when it is known that the total derivative equals zero. The response clarifies the distinction between total derivatives and partial derivatives, emphasizing that they are not interchangeable. The chain rule for derivatives is applied to explain the expansion of the total derivative, leading to the conclusion that the condition of the total derivative being zero is essential for the proof. Understanding this differentiation is crucial for grasping the Euler-Lagrange equation's derivation.
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For this problem,
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The solution is,
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However, I have a question about the solution. Does someone please know why they write out ##\frac{dF}{dx} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}y' + \frac{\partial F}{\partial y'}y''## since we already know that ##\frac{dF}{dx} = 0##?

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I believe you are confusing total derivatives with partial derivatives

##\frac{dF}{dx}## and ##\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}## are not the same thing.
 
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To expand in the above:

In general, without the condition ##\partial F/\partial x = 0##, we would have
$$
\frac{dF}{dx} =
\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} +
\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} y’ +
\frac{\partial F}{\partial y’} y’’
$$
by virtue of the chain rule for derivatives. Apply the condition to obtain what is in the proof.
 
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