How Does the Euler Totient Function Apply to Multiplicative Proofs?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Euler Totient Function in the context of multiplicative proofs, specifically focusing on Theorem 2.5 (b) from Apostol, which relates the totient function of the product of two integers to their individual totient functions and their greatest common divisor (gcd).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the transition from the product of primes dividing the product of two integers to the expression involving their individual prime factors and their gcd.
  • Another participant suggests that the divisors of a product can be categorized into those of the first number, those of the second number, and those common to both, which correspond to the divisors of the gcd.
  • A further response elaborates on the structure of the integers in terms of their prime factorization and how this leads to the desired formula, indicating that the gcd's contribution is captured through the product of common primes raised to their minimal powers.
  • There is a question about whether a proof of the method used is necessary, indicating some uncertainty about the clarity or acceptance of the explanation provided.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and acceptance of the explanations provided. Some agree on the method of categorizing divisors, while others question the need for further proof, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the clarity of the reasoning.

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There are assumptions regarding the familiarity with prime factorization and the properties of the gcd that may not be explicitly stated. The discussion also reflects a dependence on definitions of divisors and the Euler Totient Function that could affect interpretations.

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Hello,

I am looking at the proof (Theorem 2.5 (b) Apostol) of $$ \phi (mn) = \phi(m) \phi(n) \frac{d}{\phi(d)} $$ where $$ d = (m, n) $$.

Can someone explain how they go from

$$ \prod_{p|mn} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) = \frac{\prod_{p|m} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) \prod_{p|n} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) }{\prod_{p| (m, n)} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right)} $$

Thanks
 
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hawaiifiver said:
Hello,

I am looking at the proof (Theorem 2.5 (b) Apostol) of $$ \phi (mn) = \phi(m) \phi(n) \frac{d}{\phi(d)} $$ where $$ d = (m, n) $$.

Can someone explain how they go from

$$ \prod_{p|mn} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) = \frac{\prod_{p|m} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) \prod_{p|n} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right) }{\prod_{p| (m, n)} \left( 1 - \frac{1}{p} \right)} $$

Thanks

You can split the divisors of a product of two numbers in divisors of first number, divisors of the second one and divisors of both. These last ones

are, of course, precisely the divisors of the g.c.d. of both numbers. This is is the reason of your formula.
 
DonAntonio said:
You can split the divisors of a product of two numbers in divisors of first number, divisors of the second one and divisors of both. These last ones

are, of course, precisely the divisors of the g.c.d. of both numbers. This is is the reason of your formula.

Hi DonAntonio,

Thanks for the swift reply. Forgive my ignorance, but is there need for a proof of that "method"

Thanks
 
hawaiifiver said:
Hi DonAntonio,

Thanks for the swift reply. Forgive my ignorance, but is there need for a proof of that "method"

Thanks


Well, of course. It is annoying though pretty elementary. Suppose $$m=\prod_{k=1}^r p_k^{a_k}\,\,,\,\,n=\prod_{i=1}^s q_i^{b_i}$$with \,p_k,q_i\, prime numbers, \,a_k,b_i\in \mathbb N . Suppose there is a natural number

$$\,z\leq k,i\,\,\,s.t.\,\,\,p_1=q_1,\ldots ,p_z=q_z\Longrightarrow d=g.c.d(m,n)=\prod_{j=1}^z p_z^{d_j}$$with \,d_j=min\{a_j,b_j\} , or in words: the maximal common divisor of two

numbers is the product of the common primes to both numbera, each prime raised to the minimal power appearing in

either of both numbers

We thus can write now
$$m=d\prod_{k=z+1}^rp_k^{a_k}\,\,,\,\,q=d\prod_{i=z+1}^s q_i^{b_i}\Longrightarrow \varphi(mn)=mn\prod_{j=1}^z\left(1-\frac{1}{p_j}\right)\prod_{k=z+1}^r\left(1-\frac{1}{p_k}\right)\prod_{i=z+1}^s\left(1-\frac{1}{q_i}\right)$$and since
$$\prod_{j=1}^z\left(1-\frac{1}{p_j}\right)=\frac{\varphi(d)}{d}$$the formula you want follows at once.

DonAntonio
 

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