Evaluate the Improper Integral (III)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the improper integral $$\int ^{\infty}_1 \frac{2x}{(x^2 + 1)^3} \, dx$$. Participants explore the convergence of the integral, the implications of their calculations, and the conditions under which the integral converges or diverges. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and clarifications regarding limits and substitutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks verification of their work and expresses confusion about the substitution limits and the behavior of fractions involving infinity.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral should converge because the denominator grows faster than the numerator, referencing a comparison to $$\int_{t>0}^\infty \frac{1}{x^a} dx$$.
  • A different participant questions the convergence based on the behavior of the first integral, suggesting that if one diverges, both must diverge.
  • Some participants assert that the integral converges if the final result is finite, regardless of its specific value.
  • Clarifications are made about the relevance of the limit being less than 1, with some arguing that any finite result indicates convergence.
  • Several participants express confusion and seek clarification on the conditions for convergence and the significance of the limit's value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the convergence of the integral, with some participants asserting it converges based on the finiteness of the result, while others express uncertainty and question the implications of their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of limits and the behavior of the integral without resolving the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in their reasoning.

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Need someone to check my work, as well as answer a few questions I'm confused about as well.

$$\int ^{\infty}_1 \frac{2x}{(x^2 + 1)^3} \, dx$$

so:

$$lim_{a\to\infty} \int^a_1 \frac{2x}{(x^2 + 1)^3} \, dx$$

Letting $$u = x^2 + 1$$
and $$du = 2x \, dx$$

after updating the limits

I come up with

$$\int ^{a^2 + 1}_2 u^{-3} \, du$$

I guess my question is: I know that the upper limit is really just infinity$$^2$$ + 1 right? So do I really need to worry about writing that substitution in the upper limit or can I just leave it as a

Also I know that $$\frac{number}{\infty} = 0$$ but does $$\frac{\infty}{number} = \infty ?$$ (Again, sorry if these sound like ignorant questions, I'm just a bit confused.)

I came up with: $$\frac{1}{-2u^2} |^a_2 = [0] + [\frac{1}{8}] $$

$$\therefore$$ converges because $$\frac{1}{8} > 1$$
 
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Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

I would expect the integral to converges because the denominator goes faster than the numerator by huge amount. Natural we want to compare the integral to $$\int_{t>0}^\infty \frac{1}{x^a} dx$$

The integral converges if $a>1$.
 
Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

But in the first integral isn't it = 0 so it diverges because a < 1 ?

Therefore if one diverges don't they both?
 
Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

shamieh said:
$$\therefore$$ converges because $$\frac{1}{8} > 1$$

We only need the final result to be finite for the integral to converge.
 
Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

Oh I see. I was analyzing it wrong. So it in fact does converge then.
 
Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

ZaidAlyafey said:
We only need the final result to be finite for the integral to converge.

So could I say that: $$\frac{1}{-2u^2} | ^{a^2 + 1}_2 = 0 + \frac{1}{8} $$

since a < 1 we know that it converges.

or

Since we have some finite limit that does exist, we can say that it definitely converges considering that 1/8 = .025 which is < 1

or

Do I not need to worry about the actual value that the limit is itself, $$\therefore$$ if it exists we know that it converges?

Sorry, just trying to clarify
 
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Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

shamieh said:
So could I say that: $$\frac{1}{-2u^2} | ^{a^2 + 1}_2 = 0 + \frac{1}{8} $$

since a < 1 we know that it converges.

or

Since we have some finite limit that does exist, we can say that it definitely converges considering that 1/8 = .025 which is < 1

or

Do I not need to worry about the actual value that the limit is itself, $$\therefore$$ if it exists we know that it converges?

Sorry, just trying to clarify

If the integral is a finite number, as it is in this case, then the integral is convergent. The limit being less than 1 is irrelevant, in fact, the integral can equal ANY finite number (greater than 1 as well) and still converge.
 
Re: Evaluate the Improper Integrl (III)

Prove It said:
If the integral is a finite number, as it is in this case, then the integral is convergent. The limit being less than 1 is irrelevant, in fact, the integral can equal ANY finite number (greater than 1 as well) and still converge.

Awesome, thanks so much! Was so confused on this. Now I get it!
 

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