Evaluating definite integrals via substitution.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral using substitution, specifically focusing on the integral $$\int^1_0 36x^2(x^3 + 1)^4$$. Participants explore the substitution method, the updating of limits, and the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the substitution process, particularly regarding the limits and the resulting numbers after substitution.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the integral to clarify the evaluation process, indicating a different approach to the problem.
  • There is a correction regarding the inclusion of the original constant 36 in the integral evaluation, leading to a revised expression.
  • Some participants note that limits cannot be changed without properly substituting the variable from $$x$$ to $$u$$.
  • One participant calculates the integral using the new limits and expresses uncertainty about their result, asking for verification.
  • Another participant provides a calculation of the integral with the new limits and arrives at a different numerical result.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of plugging in the limits into the antiderivative versus using the limits directly in the evaluation process.
  • A later reply suggests finding the antiderivative explicitly and applying the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to changing limits after substitution, and there is no consensus on the final numerical result of the integral. Multiple competing views on the evaluation process remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of correctly substituting variables and updating limits, while others question the validity of certain steps taken in the evaluation process. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the substitution method.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in integral calculus, particularly those learning about substitution methods and the evaluation of definite integrals.

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Can someone make sure I'm on the right track with this problem? I'm a little confused because I thought that when you make a substitution you update the limits and get better numbers to work with when you plug them in the function in the end...Yet, it seems like I almost got worse numbers to work with.. Here is the problem, and what I have done so far.

Evaluate the following definite integral.

$$\int^1_0 36x^2(x^3 + 1)^4$$

$$u = x^3 + 1$$
$$du = 3x^2$$

But I don't have a $$3x^2$$ up top, I have a $$36x^2$$ so I divided out and got

$$\frac{du}{3} = x^2$$

now I update the limits and I get

$$0^3 + 1 = 1$$
$$1^3 + 1 = 2$$
so

$$\frac{1}{3} \int^2_1 du * u^4 = \frac{1}{3} * \frac{1}{5}u^5 = \frac{1}{15} * (2^3 + 1)^4] - [\frac{1}{15} * (1^3 + 1)^4]$$

Does this look correct? or have i messed up somewhere? I mean really i have to do $$9^4$$? (sorry if that sounds ignorant, just want to make sure)
 
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shamieh said:
$$\frac{1}{3} \int^2_1 du * u^4 = \frac{1}{3} * \frac{1}{5}u^5 = \frac{1}{15} * (2^3 + 1)^4] - [\frac{1}{15} * (1^3 + 1)^4]$$
$$36 \, \int^2_1 \frac{du}{3}\cdot \, u^4 =12 \int^2_1 \, du \cdot u^4$$
 
I would write the integral as:

$$12\int_0^1\left(x^3+1 \right)^4\,3x^2\,dx$$

to get the result obtained by ZaidAlyafey.
 
Seems I forgot to include the original 36 in the problem.

so I ended up with this:

$$[\frac{12}{5} (2^3 + 1)^5] - [\frac{12}{5} (1^3 + 1)^5]$$

$$[\frac{12}{5} * 59,049] - [\frac{12}{5} * 32]$$

$$[\frac{708,588}{5}] - [\frac{384}{5}] = \frac{708,204}{5}$$

This doesn't seem right though...Can anyone check my work?
 
As you have not changed $$x$$ to $$u$$ you can't change limts from $$\int_0^1$$ to $$\int_1^2$$:rolleyes:
 
mathworker said:
As you have not changed $$x$$ to $$u$$ you can't change limts from $$\int_0^1$$ to $$\int_1^2$$:rolleyes:

?:confused:

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Anyone else getting $$\frac{708204}{5}$$ ?
 
$$12 \int^2_1 \, du \cdot u^4 = \frac{12}{5} \left( 2^5-1\right) = \frac{31 \cdot 12}{5}=\frac{372}{5}$$
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
$$12 \int^2_1 \, du \cdot u^4 = \frac{12}{5} \left( 2^5-1\right) = \frac{31 \cdot 12}{5}=\frac{372}{5}$$
Zaid, is it because I changed the limits that I don't have to say, for example, [higher limit in the function] - [the lower limit in the function?]

In any other limit problem I would say [maximum limit plugged into antiderivative ] - [minimum plugged into antiderivative].. now you are just saying [maximum number plugged into anti derivative?]
 
Well, if you want to be in the safe side just find the anti-derivative. which is in your case

$$12\frac{(x^3+1)^5}{5}+C$$

It remains just to use the FTC.
 
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Awesome, thanks.

Instead of

$$\frac{12}{5}(2)^5 - \frac{12}{5} (1)^5$$

I was doing $$\frac{12}{5}(2^3 + 1)^4$$ - ...(Dull)
 

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